# Rantings about stupid nuclear reporting, and I want to bitchslap somebody, also other crap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077 "2011-03-26T19:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1241 "2011-08-22T17:59:01Z")
Not to me. It’s fun talking about reality, rather than arguing with trolls. > [@](#): > > Kan To Tell Fukushima Some Areas Near Nuclear Plant Remain No-Go Zone > TOKYO (Kyodo)–Prime Minister Naoto Kan said Monday he intends to visit Fukushima Prefecture, which hosts the radiation-leaking Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, as early as Saturday and explain to local officials and residents that some areas near the plant will remain no-go zones for a long time. [http://e.nikkei.com/e/fr/tnks/Nni20110822D22JF463.htm](http://e.nikkei.com/e/fr/tnks/Nni20110822D22JF463.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1242 "2011-08-22T20:11:11Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Yeah, I did do the same thing some asshat did, changing the quoted response. But I did it to further a conversation, not just to be an insulting dickbag. > > It’s how I roll. [Moderating] Not on this board, you don’t. Changing someone’s words inside of the quote box is not allowed under the board rules. Do not do this again. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1243 "2011-08-22T20:19:15Z")
Sorry. Since I saw other people doing it, with no warnings given to them, I figured “when in Rome”. Of course I did it to further discussion, not to be insulting, but hey, I’m all about discussions, not trolling. I notice the original offense above still stands, and only I got warned. Interesting times. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1244 "2011-08-22T20:30:01Z")
If someone has altered your words inside of a quote box, report the post and I’ll take a look. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1245 "2011-08-22T20:35:03Z")
Done. It’s just 8 posts before this one. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1246 "2011-08-22T20:39:05Z")
The ban on entry to these areas will remain in place even after the 20-kilometer no-go zone around the plant is lifted when the crisis at the nuclear plant is brought under control, according to government sources. Prime Minister Naoto Kan will likely hold talks with leaders of local governments in the affected areas and apologize for the prolonged evacuation. The areas to be kept off-limits will likely include parts of Futabamachi and Okumamachi, both in Fukushima Prefecture. They are within three kilometers of the nuclear plant crippled by March 11 disaster. The areas could be kept off-limits for “several decades,” according to government sources. In April, the government designated the 20-kilometer no-entry zone around the Fukushima No. 1 power plant. The government had planned to lift the no-entry zone after the reactors at the nuclear plant are brought to a stable condition known as cold shutdown by mid-January. However, the Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology Ministry estimated that cumulative radiation levels during the year since the accidents at the plant would greatly exceed 20 millisieverts–the benchmark for designating an expanded evacuation zone–at 35 locations mainly in Okumamachi and Futabamachi in the no-entry zone. The annual cumulative radiation level was calculated to reach 508.1 millisieverts in the Koirino district of Okumamachi, which is three kilometers west-southwest of the nuclear plant, and 393.7 millisieverts in Ottozawa in the town. [http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110821002920.htm](http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110821002920.htm) (yes, it is in English) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1247 "2011-08-22T20:48:21Z")
That looks more like a formatting error to me, than an attempt to deliberately misrepresent another poster’s position. That said, [Moderating] **Aji de Gallina** , please try to be more careful about mixing your own words into the quote box of the person you’re quoting. I’ve edited your post to move the “A-Team” joke outside of the quote box. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1248 "2011-08-22T23:00:33Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Yeah, so for the rest of us, who have no incentive to trust you and no Japanese friends closer than a 4-hour drive, how about you pony up something worth reading? Anyone reading the thread already knows my fondness for facts and figures and you know, actual real data and reports and shit. Hell, it’s my best feature. Like the suicides that have been going on (original story deleted, [but here](http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Vtytfd8L8QEJ:www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4617+Yomiuri+Shimbun+fukushima&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com)) Or how they only had one device to measure radiation, in the midst of a catostrophic failure. > [@](#): > > Someone yelled: “This could be dangerous water. Let’s get out of here!” and they rushed down the stairs to the first floor exit. > > Workers are supposed to first report, without touching, water leaks they find inside the building. But continuing aftershocks made them more terrified of being trapped inside the building with the reactor than of the possibly radioactive water, he said. > > When they reached the first floor, it was crowded with other employees changing out of their work uniforms and being tested for radioactive exposure before they left the building, as called for by regulations. But with only one testing device available, there was a long line of workers waiting in the narrow passage. [http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2011/03/16/headlines/First-hand-account-from-Fukushima-No-1-reactor-30151042.html](http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2011/03/16/headlines/First-hand-account-from-Fukushima-No-1-reactor-30151042.html) Numerous reports of not enough emergency gear, no way to bring up blueprints, instructions, no readiness at all for the disaster. Or how Tepco wanted to abandon the entire plant, but they were not allowed to. You know, same shit I have been linking to all along. The lack of measurements, the horror of this happening right after the worst natural disaster, the lack of info, the helicopters trying to dump water after all had fled, it’s all quite the huge disaster. Idiots trying to say coal is so much worse, well, you can lead a horticulture but you can’t make her think. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1249 "2011-08-23T00:42:38Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > That looks more like a formatting error to me, than an attempt to deliberately misrepresent another poster’s position. That said, > > [Moderating] > **Aji de Gallina** , please try to be more careful about mixing your own words into the quote box of the person you’re quoting. I’ve edited your post to move the “A-Team” joke outside of the quote box. > [/Moderating] aye, aye, cap’n. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1250 "2011-08-23T00:51:18Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Sorry; converting a per-hour figure into a per-year figure is like saying that because I ate two hamburgers between 2 and 3, I’ll eat 17520 in a year. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > T > However, the Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology Ministry estimated that cumulative radiation levels during the year since the accidents at the plant would greatly exceed 20 millisieverts–the benchmark for designating an expanded evacuation zone–at 35 locations mainly in Okumamachi and Futabamachi in the no-entry zone. > > **The annual cumulative radiation level was calculated to reach 508.1 millisieverts** in the Koirino district of Okumamachi, which is three kilometers west-southwest of the nuclear plant, and 393.7 millisieverts in Ottozawa in the town. > > [http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110821002920.htm](http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110821002920.htm) Maybe you should tell the Japanese government how you know better than they do. Think of the children. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Doughnut\_Thief](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Doughnut\_Thief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Doughnut_Thief)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1251 "2011-08-23T03:56:59Z")
A super sweet bump for Monkey:D ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1252 "2011-08-23T04:18:37Z")
> [@Dopers, please stop the FX nuclear blog](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dopers-please-stop-the-fx-nuclear-blog/593515/39): > > I can’t help it, it’s too much ficking fun to see his posts. Surrender to the dark side. We have cookies. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1253 "2011-08-23T05:19:23Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Surrender to the dark side. We have cookies. Had you said brownies and not cookies we might’ve had a deal. Hot brownie, vainilla ice-cream and whipped cream and I’d be bashing those fucking nuclear cheerleading moonbats every day of the week and twice on Sunday. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Doughnut\_Thief](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Doughnut\_Thief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Doughnut_Thief)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1254 "2011-08-23T06:41:24Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Had you said brownies and not cookies we might’ve had a deal. > Hot brownie, vainilla ice-cream and whipped cream and I’d be bashing those fucking nuclear cheerleading moonbats every day of the week and twice on Sunday. I have a plethora of Doughnuts ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1255 "2011-08-23T06:44:43Z")
> [@The\_Doughnut\_Thief](#): > > I have a plethora of Doughnuts Doughnuts…they’ve made me do things I will always regret, but now I’ve recovered. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1256 "2011-08-23T13:44:30Z")
Mmm … brownies. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1257 "2011-08-23T15:29:40Z")
Too tired to rant today. Just more bad news. [http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20110823/0445\_jokusenryo.html](http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20110823/0445_jokusenryo.html) Helicopter measurements of radiation finally being done. It’s far worse than even the alarmists predicted. Poor Japan, worse than Chernobyl. [http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20110823/0445\_hoshikusa.html](http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20110823/0445_hoshikusa.html) Seems even when feed was used that wasn’t contaminated somehow radiation contaminated it. [http://www.47news.jp/CN/201108/CN2011082201001124.html](http://www.47news.jp/CN/201108/CN2011082201001124.html) Due to high radiation the new radiation removal system is fucked. No workers were dosed enough to die, but now they can’t get near the damn equipment. [http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110604x1.html](http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110604x1.html) While they still won’t release what is in the steam coming from the reactors, we know it’s bad. [http://mainichi.jp/select/wadai/news/20110823k0000e040061000c.html](http://mainichi.jp/select/wadai/news/20110823k0000e040061000c.html) They don’t know why, but cesium is sticking to the pipes. The levels are deadly to workers. Of course they avoided the fuck out of the area, but even so many workers exposed to high doses. What a nightmare. Winter is coming, and with snow things will truly be fucked if they don’t get the buildings covered. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1258 "2011-08-23T15:32:42Z")
Suddenly this thread is taking a turn towards the more informative! Edit: Oops, spoke too soon. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1259 "2011-08-23T15:34:17Z")
> [@](#): > > “Some places may have to be kept off-limits to residents for a long period of time even after clean-up operations are undertaken,” Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said at a news conference. His comments followed Friday’s announcement that levels of radioactive contamination were higher in some areas in the 20-kilometer evacuation zone than were found in the plant compound itself. [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903327904576524122257910948.html](http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903327904576524122257910948.html) No kidding. The dense clouds of radioactivity that blew inland during the worst of the containment breach were extremely deadly. The saving grace was that the really really bad events occurred when the wind was blowing offshore. (like the explosion of the plutonium reactor, #3) Now nuclear dingbats, do your voodoo and tell us how much worse coal power is. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1260 "2011-08-23T15:40:18Z")
FYI they can’t get accurate readings of radiation through snow cover, and snow will cause much of the radioactive material in the air to fall and stick to the ground, buildings and everything. It’s a real problem. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=62) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=64)