# Rantings about stupid nuclear reporting, and I want to bitchslap somebody, also other crap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077 "2011-03-26T19:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1281 "2011-08-24T20:01:09Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > “There are valid solutions” The China/Russian/French solution? > > What is the technical fix? Bury it and guard it for the next 100,000 years? Burn it down to 3% of its original mass and 1000x less radioactivity in fast breeder reactors, for more and safer power generation, then bury a much smaller and less radioactive amount of it (not to mention, unusable for fission weapons even with perfect enrichment) and guard it for the next 500 years. Compared to coal pollution, the FBR consumption of spent fuel from older reactors is far, far better per megawatt in terms of danger and amount of waste produced. Even if it’s a shitty long-term solution compared to renewables, and it is, it’s still a good idea to do it to burn the existing waste fuel stocks down to something more easily contained and stored. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1282 "2011-08-24T20:06:24Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Compared to coal pollution, the FBR consumption of spent fuel from older reactors is far, far better per megawatt in terms of danger and amount of waste produced. Even if it’s a shitty long-term solution compared to renewables, and it is, it’s still a good idea to do it to burn the existing waste fuel stocks down to something more easily contained and stored. Then you don’t bury it. Cast the remainder into glass bricks and stack them in the middle of the desert. Somewhere in White Sands or outside Dreamland would be ideal. Secured airspace, no people for lots and lots of miles, and even if there is an earthquake, all it does is topple a pile of bricks. Big whoop. It can’t be stolen, it can’t be accidentally destroyed, it doesn’t interact in any way with ground water, and it’s there if we need it for something a hundred years down the line or so. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1283 "2011-08-25T02:42:56Z")
The significance of the earthquake sensors is intended to buttress the fact that after a plant is up and running, the company running it gets into cutting costs mode. They intend to increase profits regardless of safety. They cut training. They cut workers.They cut guards. They lie to the people and the regulators. They cut inspections. They do it with the backing of the government inspectors that are bought off and understaffed. That is the way of the nuclear world. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1284 "2011-08-25T02:48:02Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The significance of the earthquake sensors is intended to buttress the fact that after a plant is up and running, the company running it gets into cutting costs mode. They intend to increase profits regardless of safety. They cut training. They cut workers.They cut guards. They lie to the people and the regulators. They cut inspections. > They do it with the backing of the government inspectors that are bought off and understaffed. That is the way of the nuclear world. It’s the way of the power industry world, or do you somehow not notice that coal mining has been the cause of infinity times as many deaths as nuclear power in the US? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1285 "2011-08-27T07:24:14Z")
Well, nothing worth responding to here. Time to mine the recent past for material. > [@Still support nuke power plants?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/1554): > > The discussion just goes around and around in a huge circle. Nuclear is so dangerous. Well no…it’s not when we actually look rationally at it. … For those who want to read a bunch of bullshit, follow the link. It’s quite amazing that even now, despite the overwhelming and irrefutable evidence, the true nuclear believer actually believes nuclear reactors are safe. And cheap. And clean. At some point it becomes clear that there is no level of disaster that will convince them otherwise. Who wants to argue with a zealot? Meanwhile, back in the real world: > **[Breaking News, World News and Video from Al Jazeera](https://www.aljazeera.com/)** > > News, analysis from the Middle East & worldwide, multimedia & interactives, opinions, documentaries, podcasts, long reads and broadcast schedule. I would quote shit, but let’s face it. The rational man already understands the issues, knows what is up. The nuclear believer, well, it won’t matter a bit. Nothing will change their mind. Especially not facts or what is actually happening in Japan. Pity. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1286 "2011-08-27T07:27:11Z")
Of course now that the overwhelming consensus is that yes, a bad bad disaster happened, and yes, people are being effected, and yes, all the baloney about fear being the “real problem” was total horseshit, now that the press is finally starting to tell the truth, I very well may take the other side of the fence, and start slamming them for bad reporting. Nah, they are still soft pedaling this shit. The western media barely covers the story, much less shows a single face of suffering from Japan. Of course the Japanese media is awash with interesting stories, news and real data. But don’t expect to see any of it on CNN ---
**Author:** ![Bri2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/48db29/32.png) [@Bri2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bri2k)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1287 "2011-08-27T12:26:36Z")
If you’re so concerned, maybe you should go over there and lend a hand instead of posting on a message board, eh? Action speaks louder than words. Bri2k ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1288 "2011-08-27T13:32:00Z")
The irony, it makes me lol ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1289 "2011-08-27T13:41:58Z")
From the real world good news department: > [@](#): > > Solar panel makers could get a lift this year thanks to new renewable energy laws in Japan, Jefferies & Co. said Friday. > > ``` > A renewable energy bill will include **a feed-in tariff that pays homeowners for the power they generate from solar panels** , analyst Jesse Pichel said. The bill, which will become effective on July 1, 2012, could increase solar installations in the country more than five-fold by 2020, Pichel said. > > "Although economic details are pending, we believe solar will be the largest beneficiary of the bill given Japan's history as the first country to adopt solar as a viable energy source," Pichel said. > > ``` [http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9PBR3GO0.htm](http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9PBR3GO0.htm) You give the common man the same economic benefits nuclear power has always enjoyed, people will build the hell out of solar power. Hell, just spend the same amount of money on solar as you spend on reactors and you will get more power, and more dependable energy. Solar still works after an earthquake. ---
**Author:** ![Bri2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/48db29/32.png) [@Bri2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bri2k)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1290 "2011-08-27T13:50:24Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The irony, it makes me lol Yes the irony indeed. Thanks for the entertaining RO pal. Keep it coming. Bri2k ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1291 "2011-08-27T14:37:22Z")
I don’t know man. With the possible disaster coming to NY and other areas, who cares about some radiation problem in Japan? I mean, New York city man. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1292 "2011-08-27T16:44:14Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Well, nothing worth responding to here. Time to mine the recent past for material. > > For those who want to read a bunch of bullshit, follow the link. It’s quite amazing that even now, despite the overwhelming and irrefutable evidence, the true nuclear believer actually believes nuclear reactors are safe. And cheap. And clean. > > At some point it becomes clear that there is no level of disaster that will convince them otherwise. Who wants to argue with a zealot? > > Meanwhile, back in the real world: > > [Breaking News, World News and Video from Al Jazeera](http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/08/201181665921711896.html) > > I would quote shit, but let’s face it. The rational man already understands the issues, knows what is up. > > The nuclear believer, well, it won’t matter a bit. Nothing will change their mind. Especially not facts or what is actually happening in Japan. > > Pity. Anyone here said there are no problems with nuclear power? None at all? > [@FXMastermind](#): > > Of course now that the overwhelming consensus is that yes, a bad bad disaster happened, and yes, people are being effected, and yes, all the baloney about fear being the “real problem” was total horseshit, now that the press is finally starting to tell the truth, I very well may take the other side of the fence, and start slamming them for bad reporting. > > Nah, they are still soft pedaling this shit. The western media barely covers the story, much less shows a single face of suffering from Japan. Of course the Japanese media is awash with interesting stories, news and real data. But don’t expect to see any of it on CNN I’m sure Japanese media is filled to the brim with the suffering of my country’s people. ok, so now you come with the real numbers of death. Because you know, a disaster that doesn’t kill or maim hundreds of people isn’t much of a disaster. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > From the real world good news department: > > [http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9PBR3GO0.htm](http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9PBR3GO0.htm) > You give the common man the same economic benefits nuclear power has always enjoyed, people will build the hell out of solar power. Hell, just spend the same amount of money on solar as you spend on reactors and you will get more power, and more dependable energy. > > Solar still works after an earthquake. Has any of us nuclear moonbats said that solar shouldn’t be used? Really?? you think that after a big earthquake those huge, flimsy, solar-panel arrays are going to sill be there working?? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1293 "2011-08-29T15:32:13Z")
For those interested, the construction of the cover over Unit one is really moving along. [http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/f1-np/camera/index-e.html](http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/f1-np/camera/index-e.html) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1294 "2011-08-30T01:45:23Z")
From the good news department, Tepco announced today > [@](#): > > As of 3:00 pm on August 29, the reactors of Unit 1 to 4 are in cold shutdown (please refer to the appendix). We will continue to make our endeavors to further stabilize each plant of cold shutdown. And the reactor that wasn’t even running they finally went in to take a look **Workers enter containment vessel at Fukushima Daini reactor** FUKUSHIMA (Kyod) – Workers began inspections Monday inside the containment vessel of the Fukushima Daini nuclear plant’s No. 4 reactor to prepare for investigations into the impact caused by the March 11 quake-tsunami disaster, according to operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. The Daini plant is located about 10 kilometers south of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. The group of about 10 workers will check the radiation levels and other conditions inside the vessel of the reactor, which automatically halted operations after the magnitude 9.0 temblor. It is the first time since the disaster that workers have entered reactor containment vessels at either the Daini plant or the Daiichi plant. > [@](#): > > Meanwhile at Fukushima Daiichi’s No. 2 reactor, a thermometer located on the upper part of the pressure vessel showed a rapid rise in temperature to 120 C on Monday, up from 72 C the previous day. > > But TEPCO said the reading was likely due to malfunctioning of the thermometer, as other thermometers and barometers showed no abnormalities inside the vessel. [http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110829p2g00m0dm037000c.html](http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110829p2g00m0dm037000c.html) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1295 "2011-08-30T01:47:19Z")
Note that none of the 10 reactors have had anyone enter them since March 11 The Daini plant or the Daiichi plant. That’s right, the four reactors at the “undamaged” plant have not been entered. You might think there was a problem. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2011, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1296 "2011-09-01T03:56:52Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Anyone here said there are no problems with nuclear power? None at all? Straw man argument. What was said, that you didn’t respond to was pretty straight up. I said… It’s quite amazing that even now, despite the overwhelming and irrefutable evidence, the true nuclear believer actually believes nuclear reactors are safe. And cheap. And clean. At some point it becomes clear that there is no level of disaster that will convince them otherwise. Who wants to argue with a zealot? Or was it the commentary on the recent fact filled report her? > **[Breaking News, World News and Video from Al Jazeera](https://www.aljazeera.com/)** > > News, analysis from the Middle East & worldwide, multimedia & interactives, opinions, documentaries, podcasts, long reads and broadcast schedule. When I said the rational man already understands the issues, knows what is up. The nuclear believer, well, it won’t matter a bit. Nothing will change their mind. Especially not facts or what is actually happening in Japan. You see? You responded to something I didn’t say, and ignored my points. I understand, it’s the Pit, and who the fuck cares? > [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > I’m sure Japanese media is filled to the brim with the suffering of my country’s people. More fallacious argument. Pity really. > [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > ok, so now you come with the real numbers of death. Because you know, a disaster that doesn’t kill or maim hundreds of people isn’t much of a disaster. More nonsense, but hey, it’s about all there is from the “rational smart people” these days, if they bother to comment at all. > [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Has any of us nuclear moonbats said that solar shouldn’t be used? > Really?? you think that after a big earthquake those huge, flimsy, solar-panel arrays are going to sill be there working?? More ignorance. I guess it really is taking longer than we thought. And to avoid multiposting, due to [the extreme level of butthurt](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=622592) over this thread, get a fucking life and quit trying to stop the only conversation about an ongoing nuclear disaster on the entire board. Seriously, are you like 12 or something? ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2011, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1297 "2011-09-01T15:48:56Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > … get a fucking life and quit trying to stop the only conversation about an ongoing nuclear disaster on the entire board. > > Seriously, are you like 12 or something? Then grow a pair of balls and open a GD thread and stop this childish name-calling blog. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1298 "2011-09-01T16:20:18Z")
Isn’t there already a GD thread? Everybody stopped posting in it after it became unavoidable that the disaster was really bad., ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1299 "2011-09-01T16:22:15Z")
In the interest of science, truth and fighting ignorance, I will simply post a link to a real forum about Fukushima, all aspects of the disaster, and stop bothering anyone here with those pesky facts, you know, shit nobody wants to see. Because you know, this lack of logic, intelligence and even simple reading comprehension here is depressing. No seriously. It’s dull and uninteresting. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1300 "2011-09-03T13:23:40Z")
[http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110607005367.htm](http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110607005367.htm) > [@](#): > > Nuclear fuel in three reactors at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant has possibly melted through pressure vessels and accumulated at the bottom of outer containment vessels, according to a government report obtained Tuesday by The Yomiuri Shimbun. > > A “melt-through”–when melted nuclear fuel leaks from the bottom of damaged reactor pressure vessels into containment vessels–is far worse than a core meltdown and is the worst possibility in a nuclear accident. > > The possibility of the situation at the plant’s Nos. 1 to 3 reactors was raised in a report that is to be submitted to the International Atomic Energy Agency. > > If the report is released as is, it would be the first official recognition that a melt-through has occurred. > > It was revealed earlier that sections of the bottom of the pressure vessels where control rods go through have been damaged. Highly radioactive water from inside the pressure vessels was confirmed to have leaked out of the containment vessels, even outside the buildings that house the reactors. “A “melt-through”–when melted nuclear fuel leaks from the bottom of damaged reactor pressure vessels into containment vessels–is far worse than a core meltdown and is the worst possibility in a nuclear accident.” This is a soft pedal of the story, which in the Japanese press (and others) is much more to the point, especially in regards to the horrible truth of what to do about it. It doesn’t even talk about the spent fuel rod problem, which may be even worse, due to the sheer volume of material involved. If this disaster was in some remote location, far from the ocean or a river, covering it up for a very long time would be the first line of containing the deadly problem. But it’s the coast of Japan. It’s officially starting to look like what nuclear scientists were saying back in March and April, that multiple reactors not only melted down, they breached containment. It’s a devil’s bargain, they have to keep pouring water on the problem, or it gets much much worse quickly, but the contaminated water is a huge problem itself. Elsewhere the true nuclear believers are still saying it’s like TMI and they cleaned that up no problem. Ha Ignorance, it is no respecter of persons. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=66)