Rape/almost-rape scenes where you kindasorta sympathize with the rapist (spoilers)

The only possible answer is the monster in Young Frankenstein.

There’s another, perhaps even more brutal scene in the first movie in the series, Jungle Holocaust:

[spoiler]The protagonist, after being held captive, tormented, and threatened with immenant execution by the primitive cannibal tribe, finally manages to escape, using a native woman who’d been at least semi-sympathetic to him, as a hostage/guide.

During his flight, she tries to escape, and he ends up raping her in kind of a frustrated, feral display of domination.

At this point, you start to see the ordeal of survival in such an enviroment hasn’t left the civilized shell of humanity merely eroded, or left in a primitive form—for these two, it’s gone. This is pure, animal savagery. And it only gets worse.[/spoiler]

…or maybe it were jus’ an excuse to have another graphic sex scene in a flick that had “cannibal” in the original title.

I’m not sure I understand the question. Are you saying that you think rape can’t be an angry act?

The scene, as I can best remember it, Tommy goes to see Janet (the ex), they get into a fight, he forces her down on the couch and starts taking her clothes off, then having sex with her. She never actually says the word “no” but fights against him, then starts to relax and enjoy the sex, and when Tommy’s brother comes home shortly afterward, they both hurry to cover up what they’d been doing. Some people feel it was unequivocal rape, but I think it was more ambiguous, since their relationship was so fantastically messed up. You’d have to have watched the series to fully understand, but she was as abusive to him as he was to her.

Here’s a quote from writer/producer Peter Tolan:

Never.

Someone mentioned Piers Anthony earlier. I’m not familiar with the books suggested in that post, but in his Bio of a Space Tyrant series, there is a point in time when the future Space Tyrant–Hope Hubris–is in the Navy ( I think) and wishes to form an alliance with some Space Pirates. Well, Space Pirate culture requires that for pirates to form alliances, the daughter of one group must be “kidnapped”, raped, and married by the leader of the other group. Kidnapped goes in quotes, because modern technology makes it such that any abduction requires the co-operation of the family of the abductee. Raped does not, because Pirate culture encourages and trains the daughters to fight–they do not lie back and think of England, they fight until resistance proves futile, then they enjoy it.

Hope trains for the rape scene, and then ends up with a complicated situation I’m not going to try to explain. But he ends up married to Rue, who expects sex to come in the form of rape. She consents to it intellectually, but resists him physically. This drives him bonkers.

Revenge of the Nerds features a “rape by deception” scene where Lewis seduces Betty by stealing her boyfriend Stan’s Darth Vader costume. The audience is supposed to be with him on this, and not just because she admits afterward it was the best sex she ever had.

No…it can be an angry act. It just sounds like people were saying that it’s understandable because their relationship was angry/abusive already, and that this rape was just one more facet of it, which sounds kind of disturbing to me. I don’t think it’s very understandable to force someone to have sex, even if (hell, especially if) you are already in a relationship with them.

It’s not, but it’s understandable that the “rapist” in such a scenario might not grok that this is rape. If every time you have consensual sex, she hits you and screams obscenities and tries to run away, then it can be awfully hard to determine that this time, her hitting and screaming and running is a genuine indication that she’d like you to stop. And gender reverse as appropriate, although male on female rape is far more common than the other in movies and books.)

This is one reason, frankly, why a safe word is a good idea for those into less than vanilla sex: “No!” might mean, “Oh, that feels good!”, but “Umbrella!” is pretty unambiguous, if you’re smart.

The only one that felt somewhat justified was the rape scene inRelax, It’s Just Sex.

A group of friends, gay, straight, male and female, are walking home from a bar and they are attacked by a couple of thugs in an alley. One of the gay men in the group turns the tables on the attackers and rapes one them against a dumpster. In a vigilante justice sort of way, I felt for the guy, but at the same time, there was this disturbing sick feeling toward the character after he did that.

She didn’t, by any chance, explain why, did she?

I saw the last half of that movie years ago, and never caught the title. Thanks for filling in the blank for me on that. IIRC, though…

the aren’t just random street thugs, but a gang of gaybashers that had been terrorizing the neighborhood for some time.

Aah yes! Thanks for reminding me. I had forgotten about that. I knew there was more to why I felt for the gay character in the group.

I’m betting it was the scene in which

Emily Watson’s character demands that a mentally retarded fellow be given 100 lashes with a whip to avenge a murder his brother commited.

The guy’s name is Hope Hubris? You gotta be shitting me. That’s worse than Mason Dixon.

“The Line”. Sheesh. And to think those people get paid.

It’s Piers Anthony. If you’re looking for subtlety, you’re reading the wrong author.

Hey, it’s better than “Hiro Protagonist.”

Science fiction is going to hell in a handbasket.

Woohoo! We’re moving up in the world! :smiley:
Seriously, I found Hiro Protagonist a bit snigger worthy, at first. But Neal Stephenson is a good enough writer that I just went with it, and enjoyed.

The only reason I had for reading the Bio of a Tyrant books was because I was a teen at the time, and it was good stroke material. :o And even that wasn’t enough to get me to finish the series.

Actually, it seems it’s going to Helena Handbasket.

I came into this thread to post the very scene, but after your discussion, I decided I needed to watch the scene again. You can re-watch it here.

I think lisacurl’s description is very accurate. I hesitate to call that rape, even though that’s certainly the direction it was headed before he changed his mind.