# Rape in Hentai... a big fat WTF?

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**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [February 2, 2004, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148 "2004-02-02T04:38:53Z")\
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**Author:** ![Bubba\_Ray](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Bubba\_Ray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bubba_Ray)\
**Post date:** [February 2, 2004, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/41 "2004-02-02T23:59:07Z")

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> [@MelCthefirst](#):
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> Agree with last two posts - also, rape within marriage is legal in Japan, so women don’t even think of it as ‘rape’ if they are married.

May I be the first to ask for the dreaded cite or (preferably) the friendly pat on the back that I am being whooshed with that statement?

The mangrove jungle of additional complications of rape in a marriage and the surely frightening high number of non reported cases nonewithstanding, the above idea seems to be a bit too strange to just accept as given.

@ Tentacle Monster, I admit that my initial curiosity immediatelly left to room to shot itself behind the house after seeing the first picture. But its still just a drawn picture and all the exposure to rotten, goatse and co it’s nothing that steals my sleep, my appetite may be a different matter when it’s lunchtime.

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**Author:** ![DeaganTheWolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/49beb7/32.png) [@DeaganTheWolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeaganTheWolf)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2004, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/42 "2004-02-03T00:03:01Z")

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It’s not acceptable. _In real Life_ This isn’t real life, it’s fantasy. I don’t see the problem, nor do I see the attraction. I’m a fan of ecchi/hentai art but you’ll not find a rape, or pedo pic in my collection. I don’t get it. But a lot of men there must feel powerless or subordinate to create such a large sub genre of art. I’m willing to bet that a lot of the hentai fans, are not fans of the real deal flicks. It takes something that’s a harmless indulgence to making it “too real”. I can’t too worked up over this.

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**Author:** ![Darkhold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@Darkhold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darkhold)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2004, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/43 "2004-02-03T00:14:16Z")

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> [@DeaganTheWolf](#):
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> I don’t get it. But a lot of men there must feel powerless or subordinate to create such a large sub genre of art.

Heh I saw a news show that targeted a whore house that specialized in girls acting underaged for the customers. The madam of the house claimed that modern men in Japan are taught that they should be smarter and better then their women and in a day and age where women are possibly as worldly/educated as the men are that they fear inferior and so seek out the ‘innocence’ of very young girls to compensate (the show didn’t say if there were rape fantasies but I remember that one of the big sellers was getting on a fake subway car and sliding your hand up a girls skirt while she just stood there and took it b/c she (in the fantasy of course) didn’t want to cause a scene and was secretly enjoying it). So you might have a point about the power issue…if a 1/2 remembered show and the word of a madam has any weight in this discussion.

And once again to be clear I’m not worked up or needing to relax. I have no stake in this. I just think it’s something interesting to look at all sides of. 😃

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**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2004, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/44 "2004-02-03T00:30:39Z")

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> [@Bubba Ray](#):
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> May I be the first to ask for the dreaded cite or (preferably) the friendly pat on the back that I am being whooshed with that statement?
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> The mangrove jungle of additional complications of rape in a marriage and the surely frightening high number of non reported cases nonewithstanding, the above idea seems to be a bit too strange to just accept as given.

Just a data point: it wasn’t too long ago in this country that it was, in many jurisdictions, legally impossible for a man to rape his wife – that is, the state of matrimony was conclusive proof of consent.

- Rick

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**Author:** ![Bubba\_Ray](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Bubba\_Ray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bubba_Ray)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2004, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/45 "2004-02-03T00:54:10Z")

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> [@Bricker](#):
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> Just a data point: it wasn’t too long ago in this country that it was, in many jurisdictions, legally impossible for a man to rape his wife – that is, the state of matrimony was conclusive proof of consent.
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> - Rick

Sorry, I should probably put it in my profile but I am german, and while I know that the german law had a similiar law, which was repealed some time ago. I admit I would have to do a google on the exact date, my statement was into the direction that the idea that such a law is still upheld in a progressive (first world, modern, western oriented, take your pick all the terms can sound tacky) country like Japan is disturbing.

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**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/46 "2004-02-03T01:54:04Z")

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i cant get upset about pretend rapes while real murders are televised all the time.

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**Author:** ![kimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kimera)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2004, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/47 "2004-02-03T07:54:47Z")

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> [@Bubba Ray](#):
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> May I be the first to ask for the dreaded cite or (preferably) the friendly pat on the back that I am being whooshed with that statement?
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> The mangrove jungle of additional complications of rape in a marriage and the surely frightening high number of non reported cases nonewithstanding, the above idea seems to be a bit too strange to just accept as given.

From of the links I used above

> [@](#):
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> A 1985 Tokyo district court decision denied a woman’s request for divorce on grounds of the husband having used physical force to have sex with her, ruling: “It is in no way illegal for a husband to demand sexual intercourse from a wife, nor does a wife have any rights to deny such a request.” In a 1986 divorce case, a Tokyo court denied a wife a divorce which she sought on grounds that her husband had frequently raped her, ruling that the husband had a right to force sexual intercourse and that the wife was at fault for not assuming her “legal duty” as a wife. A poll conducted by a men’s weekly magazine revealed that 70 per cent of the respondents had compelled their wives to have sex. No precedent exists in Japanese law stating that forced sex in marriage constitutes rape.

This essay was published in 2001, so it might have changed since then.

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**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2004, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/48 "2004-02-03T09:21:37Z")

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> [@jjimm](#):
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> This may be a dreadful continuation of the same hijack, and no cite here, but I heard on a radio documentary a few years ago that what distinguishes crime places like Japan and Singapore from the West is not the severity of punishment, but the high detection rate for crime. The documentary proposed that there was an inverse corellation between detection rate and crime rate.

The thread’s pretty much wandered, so I guess continuing the hijack couldn’t hurt.

The clearance rate for crimes in Japan is fairly high (although I don’t have the numbers with me), and that may indeed serve as a deterrent. I’m of the opinion, however, that the clearance rate is as high as it is because of a few not-so-admirable factors.

This is anecdotal, but the police have a reputation for dissuading people from filing a report for crimes that will be difficult or inconvenient to pursue. Some bad examples are the Niigata kidnapping case\*, plus another from a couple of years back when a college student was murdered by a hitman hired by her ex-boyfriend. In this case it came out that she had complained to the police that he was threatening her, but they pressured her to retract her complaint. They are also known for simply dropping the charges if they think it likely that the suspect will be found not guilty by reason of insanity, as they did when Mamoru Takuma was released without going to trial after trying to murder two of his co-workers. He then went on to murder eight schoolchildren in Osaka and bragged about how he had tricked the police into letting him go the first time.

Another problem is that the police and prosecutors in Japan have much greater latitude in their ‘interview’ techniques than American police do. Suspects can be held for three weeks without being charged, there is no right to have an attorney present, and confessions extracted during interrogation (with only police as witnesses) have been considered valid. I often hear that the majority of cases are ‘solved’ when the suspect confesses to his crimes. Considering the circumstances, I can’t help but wonder how valid the confessions are.

A third problem is that there is no jury system, and the judges overwhelmingly find in favor of the prosecution (there are several with guilty verdict rates of 99% and even 100%). A couple of cases that garnered some international attention are those of [Nick Baker](http://www.japantoday.com/gidx/feature547.html) and [Rosal Manalili](http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=comment&id=239&page=16), both of whom were convicted under questionable circumstances.

- the search function isn’t finding it, but I wrote a Pit rant about this a year or so back. A little girl was kidnapped and held prisoner in a small bedroom for _9 years_, during which time the police were called on several occasions by people who suspected what was going on, but in every case they declined to investigate.

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**Author:** ![sirtonyh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ad7895/32.png) [@sirtonyh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sirtonyh)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2004, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/49 "2004-02-03T12:43:20Z")

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> [@Tentacle Monster](#):
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> Google for Waita Uziga sometime.

Yikes! I so, so wish I hadn’t taken your advice :eek:

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**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2004, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/50 "2004-02-03T13:04:08Z")

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> [@MelCthefirst](#):
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> Agree with last two posts - also, rape within marriage is legal in Japan, so women don’t even think of it as ‘rape’ if they are married.

I would be fascinated to hear how you came by this remarkable insight into the minds of the women of Japan.

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**Author:** ![cainxinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7bcc69/32.png) [@cainxinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cainxinth)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2004, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/51 "2004-02-03T14:57:52Z")

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I’ve thought about this one a little bit, and here’s my response.

Watching simulations of depraved acts may or may not be encouraging or deterring the real thing. I haven’t seen conclusive evidence for either. However, there is something deep down in my gut that says it’s wrong to get aroused by watching a girl whimpering and crying as she is brutally raped, and that’s exactly what these images are designed to do.

That said, I will concede that in weak, sex addled moments, rape fantasies have entered into my fantasies, as clearly it has for many people. The difference I think, is that these aren’t fantasies that I seek out, or try to cultivate in my consciousness. If the Japanese (or anyone else for that matter) thinks there is no harm, no foul in depicting minor school girls being gang raped, something seriously wrong is happening.

The people making these films are taking one of the most vicious acts one person can perpetrate on another and making it merely risqué, taboo, a forbidden pleasure. Rape is not a forbidden pleasure, it’s an often indelible violation of personal security. The fact that people are marketing rape films, making money off of it is beyond an insult to any person that has had their life tainted by it.

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**Author:** ![spudzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@spudzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spudzilla)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2004, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/52 "2004-02-03T18:43:59Z")

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> [@Tentacle Monster](#):
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> Maybe, just maybe, this could explain why Japan has a much lower incidence of actual rape than the US.

I don’t think it explains anything. There are too many other factors to be considered, not the least of which is that Japan is a much less violent society overall than the U.S. Not only are there far fewer rapes in Japan than in the U.S., per capita, but the same is true of assaults, robberies and – to an extent – murders (see below).

Crimes per capita (per 1000 people):

\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_U.S.\_\_\_Japan\_\_Factor  
Rapes\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_0.32\_\_\_0.02\_\_\_16  
Murders\_\_\_\_\_\_0.05\_\_\_0.01\_\_\_5  
Assaults\_\_\_\_\_7.98\_\_\_0.34\_\_\_23  
Robberies\_\_\_\_1.46\_\_\_0.04\_\_\_37  
Burglaries\_\_\_7.48\_\_\_2.33\_\_\_3.2  
Car Thefts\_\_\_4.09\_\_\_2.44\_\_\_1.7

Source: [http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri\_rap\_cap](http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_rap_cap)  
(Sorry for the ugly underlines. Couldn’t figure out how to insert a table!)

Another important factor regarding the declining incidence of (reported) rape in Japan is that attitudues toward sexual harassment, sexual discrimination, and the social status of women in general in Japan have been changing significantly. There is much less female nudity on TV than there was ten years ago, and gropers on rush-hour trains are no longer tolerated like they used to be. In this light, it’s hardly surprising that there are fewer rapes in Japan than there were thirty years ago.

Given the various other factors that have to be taken into account, the correlation between the vibrant Japanese porn industry and the low incidence of rape in Japan doesn’t mean much, by itself. Personally, though, I think there’s a low incidence of rape in Japan _despite_ the porn industry rather than because of it.

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**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2004, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/53 "2004-02-03T19:48:43Z")

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cainxinth, have you read the thread that Larry Mudd linked to? I see this thread going right in that direction.

I’ll jump in as a woman who is a rape survivor who STILL HAS RAPE FANTASIES. Hentai rape is very, obviously eroticised (as violent as it is), and stylized. Plenty of woman, I dare say millions have violent rape/domination/kidnapping fantasies and things like written erotica and hentai allow us to halfway experiencing these fantasies in a safe environment.

I mean, it’s much better for me to write/read rape erotica than to place an ad in the paper for a stranger to act something out.

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**Author:** ![MelCthefirst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MelCthefirst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MelCthefirst)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2004, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/54 "2004-02-03T20:06:13Z")

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> [@Lamia](#):
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> I would be fascinated to hear how you came by this remarkable insight into the minds of the women of Japan.

Well apart from having studied attitudes towards rape, including rape within marriage (which has correctly been pointed out was legal up until fairly recently for most western countries and is still legal is many, possibly most developing nations) within my own culture, whilst living in Japan I have been party to at least two conversations with women which blew my mind. During one of them we were sitting around talking about sex for some unknown reason, one younger woman had just got married and was having fun with sex, another older one, with envy said how she didn’t like having to do it when she didn’t want to and it was the part of marriage she didn’t like.  
Noone except me (the only westerner present) thought, whoa, that’s rape.  
Why would you report a rape if a. it is not illegal and b. you don’t think of it as rape, c. you didn’t resist anyway because it is just a marriage duty you do not wish to perform but do anyway? Japanese women in my experience, would think of stranger non-concentual sex as ‘rape’. I am ofcourse generalising, and I lived in a very traditional area of the far North, those who have been exposed to western ideology, law, culture may well have different thoughts.  
I also should have stated that as of 1996, rape within marriage was legal, I’m not sure if the law has changed.

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**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2004, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/55 "2004-02-03T20:18:39Z")

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> [@threemae](#):
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> Nothing personal there **Tentacle Monster** , (ironic name considering the discussion of Anime Tentacle Porn) but I have to disagree completely with your assesment of the effect of porn on potential offenders of actual crimes.
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> Everything that we have learned about the psychology of porn suggests that porn doesn’t relieve but rather encourages the feelings stimulated by that pornography. Even porn that doesn’t directly use rape/control fantasies enhances reponsiveness to such ideas and makes people more likely to act out deviant fantasies.

I challenge this assertion. There is no evidence that pornography causes people to rape. You are confusing simultaneity with cause/effect. “Everything that we have learned”, indeed.:rolleyes:

And I think all of you are missing the point. The point is that you have no more evidence to back up the assertion that porn causes rape than **Tentacle Monster** has to back up _his_ assertion that it _prevents_ rape. It’s all just wild speculation.

And lets stop with this silly posturing about “Oh my God - what kind of sick, diseased, pervert has fantasies about rape?”. Give me a fucking break. Rape and domination fantasies are completely mainstream _everywhere_, it’s just a matter of degree. If you recall, just last Sunday, Justin Timberlake ripped some of Janet Jackson’s clothing off. That’s how they acted it out, too - he didn’t say “Excuse me, Janet - may I undo your brassiere?”, he reached over and tore it off. And how many movies coming out of Hollywood feature women being dominated? It’s a standard plot formula - the bad guy abducts the sexy woman (who is usually scantily-clad), ties her up or subdues her some other way, and tries to have his way with her. The fact that she’s rescued at the last second by the hero doesn’t change the implied rape fantasy.

It’s natural to have fantasies about domination. If it weren’t, you can bet Hollywood wouldn’t be putting that stuff in there. And when you take a society like Japan, where people struggle in extremely high-pressure jobs, are completely dominated by their employers, and feel powerless every day, you can bet there are going to be a lot more men having fantasies about domination. They just take it a lot further.

Personally, I don’t see the problem with an animated fantasy like that. I think Deagan really nailed it:

> [@](#):
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> Easy, easy… Guys, it’s art. Hentai and other erotica provide a way for people to explore the strange and bizzarre in a safe manner. Chances are, the animators and artists are relatively normal sexually, and are merely chasing after the extreme for it’s own sake. True rape, isn’t about sex, it’s about power, the hentai is a fantasy of domination. In fact, since the girls who go along with enjoy it in the end, it’s a total male power trip. “see I told you you wanted it! You were wrong, I was right, aren’t you glad now I didn’t stop?” -type of deal. Same goes for beastiality, necrophilia etc. There may be a few pervs who are INTO that sort of thing for it’s own sake, but the majority is a simple fascination with the bizzarre. Relax, it’s a cartoon. If they were producing homemade films of actual rapes I’d be much more worried.

People ought to be much more concerned with the _real_ subjugation of women that’s going on around the world, not some harmless drawings.

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**Author:** ![cainxinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7bcc69/32.png) [@cainxinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cainxinth)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2004, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/56 "2004-02-03T21:44:41Z")

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Play it off as over-sensitivity if you wish. What I saw in that movie was not okay, it was totally fucked up I’m a little taken aback that so many of you can have such an openly cavalier attitude about rape.

All kidding aside, if you are dreaming about raping someone or being raped, shouldn’t you be consulting a shrink and not your local smut dealer?

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**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2004, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/57 "2004-02-03T22:12:45Z")

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> [@cainxinth](#):
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> Play it off as over-sensitivity if you wish.

When did I mention “over-sensitivity”?

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> What I saw in that movie was not okay, it was totally fucked up

But it wasn’t REAL. It was a drawing. It didn’t really happen. What disturbed you so much? If it wasn’t the rape fantasy in general, was it the schoolkids, the pregnant woman or the hermaphrodyte? I guess I don’t get it - is rape _worse_ if a hermaphrodyte does it? Is it _less_ wrong if the woman isn’t pregnant?

> [@](#):
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> I’m a little taken aback that so many of you can have such an openly cavalier attitude about rape.

Oh, now I see why you put this in the pit; you thought you could get away with such intellectually dishonest statements. I don’t think anyone has a cavalier attitude about rape. I think some people spoke honestly about rape _fantasies_, but not rape. It’s not the same thing, and your attempt to paint it as such is total bullshit.

I also notice that you hide behind the vagueness of saying “many of you”. You level the most heinous of charges, yet decline to state exactly who you are accusing. Deplorable.

> [@](#):
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> All kidding aside, if you are dreaming about raping someone or being raped, shouldn’t you be consulting a shrink and not your local smut dealer?

You’re an idiot.

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**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2004, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/58 "2004-02-03T22:34:15Z")

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> [@cainxinth](#):
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> All kidding aside, if you are dreaming about raping someone or being raped, shouldn’t you be consulting a shrink and not your local smut dealer?

Short answer, no.

Now you’re going to tell people what you think is appropriate and inappropriate for them to THINK about? Please. Or are you simply assuming that those who participate or think about rape fantasy are too stupid to realize that the real thing is different? I’ve been through both and pal, there ain’t NO similarities. I’m not walking the streets looking to be raped, because I’m a sentient, functioning adult. But if I sit at home and get off thinking about being ravished by Pirates or Football Players or Orcs or some such shit, what’s the fucking harm?

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**Author:** ![FaerieBeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e95f7d/32.png) [@FaerieBeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FaerieBeth)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2004, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/59 "2004-02-03T23:18:10Z")

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> [@blowero](#):
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> I don’t think anyone has a cavalier attitude about rape. I think some people spoke honestly about rape _fantasies_, but not rape. It’s not the same thing, and your attempt to paint it as such is total bullshit.

This bears repeating. It is **not** the same. I often fantasize about my husband storming home from work, flinging open the front, dragging me by my hair to the bed, despite my loud and pleading protests…and well, you get the picture. This, however, does not mean that I condone the crime of rape, nor does it mean I am somehow unhealthy in my attitudes about sexuality.

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> Having a fantasy about a particular sexual practice or activity does not mean that a person actually wishes to engage in that behavior or that he/she would enjoy the behavior.  
> While fantasy may enhance actual sexual practices, it should not be assumed that a fantasized behavior represents an unconscious desire. Thus, some women fantasize about being overpowered or even raped by a man, but this does not mean they actually want to be raped.

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> [@linked article](#):
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> Rape fantasies are extremely common among both women and men. Rape fantasies are essentially fantasies of sexual submission – the desire to cede control to another person, or to have someone else take the dominant role. As far as I know, fantasies of being raped are far more common among women. This may be because it is still socially unacceptable for women to assert their own sexuality – they may find it more comfortable to have someone else take responsibility for sexual urges. In rare cases, people who wish to act out rape fantasies have suffered real sexual assault or abuse in the past, and playacting within safe boundaries and guidelines is their way of healing themselves, or gaining a sense of control of the situtation.

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**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2004, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-in-hentai-a-big-fat-wtf/227148/60 "2004-02-04T02:08:38Z")

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> [@FaerieBeth](#):
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> _Originally Posted by blowero  
> I don’t think anyone has a cavalier attitude about rape. I think some people spoke honestly about rape fantasies, but not rape. It’s not the same thing, and your attempt to paint it as such is total bullshit._  
> This bears repeating. It is **not** the same.

In case she misses it. It is not the same. I’ve had fantasies about been raped by my husband. We’ve acted out, and it was darn good. That doesn’t meand that I go around dark alleys hoping to be raped by a stranger nor would I want my husband to rape for real.

Get real, stop accusing random dopers of supporting rape. That’s bullshit.

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