Rape on US colleges vs. World War II mass rapes

Um, actually it’s higher than 14%. The number is 20% of female college students in the US are sexually assaulted, most commonly date rape type situations, and 90% do not report the attack. If there are 20 million college students in the US, and half are women, and 20% get raped, that’s 2 million raped for every four-year period.

Oh, and just for your information? There’s no such thing as a “nonforcible” rape. People who go around using the term “forcible rape” are rapists and/or rapist enablers who are trying to trivialize violent, forcible, traumatic attacks on women that are committed by so-called friends and family. Which is the vast majority of rapes. Practically all women who are raped know their rapist. I suspect most women would prefer to be raped at gunpoint by a stranger than to have someone they thought was a friend attack her. Trauma plus betrayal.

The CDC makes no differentiation between rapes where the attacker uses a weapon, uses simple brute force, or uses fear and intimidation-all three violent, forcible attacks are grouped together under the definition “sexual violence: complete or attempted penetration of a victim.”

They do separate the use of outright violence from the use of drugs/alcohol to subdue a victim, and also separate out other forms of unwanted sexual contact, such as grabbing and groping.

http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/definitions.html

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“The number is 20% of female college students in the US are sexually assaulted, most commonly date rape type situations, and 90% do not report the attack.” If you only take the ones that reported their rape, you get a figure closer to the 1-2% reported above by certain studies. Which is absurdly low.

Experts estimate around 1/3 of of women in the US will be raped in their lifetime, and most of these rapes will occur in their teens and 20s. So if only 1% of college students are being raped, that doesn’t really compute.

Since women don’t generally report being raped due to the way the police and justice system treat them, all of the numbers are suspect, of course. There’s no way to know for sure.

Does ‘sexual assault’ include unwanted groping?

When the surveys include any and all kinds of unwanted sexual contact, including groping, the rates usually shoot up to 25 to 30% of college women saying they have been victimized.

The rates vary a bit depending on the wording of the questions, but they seem to consistently indicate that approximately 20% of women are subjected to some kind of violent, forcible sexual attack while in college.

When they survey male college students, which oddly enough they rarely do, around 10% admit they actively engage in repeated date-rapes and they don’t consider forcing a women to have sex to be a crime. This number hasn’t changed since the 1980s, but it hasn’t been investigated very thoroughly, and of course that’s only the men who admit to this behavior.

Cite?

Well there are the two given in the first post… but you don’t need to waste your time reading them (like I did). One is a list of cherry picked numbers from various studies with a bunch of implausible and unexplained or defined x % of group A experience said horrible thing-type claims entitled info and stats for journalists… ignorance isn’t fought by seeking headline material on Google. The other cite is a webpage which gives a “definition” of sexual violence which pretty much includes anything you want it to mean. It’s disappointingly rather the opposite of defining the term… it incorporates all kinds of stuff if you actually read it and think about it.

I’m not going to list much but here’s one of their definitions of sexual violence:

Non-contact unwanted sexual experiences:

  • Some acts of non-contact unwanted sexual experiences occur without the victim’s knowledge. This type of sexual violence can occur in many different settings, such as school, the workplace, in public, or through technology. Examples include unwanted exposure to pornography or verbal sexual harassment (e.g., making sexual comments).*

So apparently today I was the victim of sexual violence when a pop-up window with the picture of an attractive woman posing provocatively appeared with the quote “hi, wanna chat?” I didn’t want that, but since im a man they didn’t ask me and my stats don’t make it onto the list (this claim wasnt substantiated in the 2 cites) . Worse yet, under the category of Nonphysically forced penetration pretty much every human, male and female, is a victim and perpetrator of sexual violence as evidenced by the quote: examples include being worn down by someone who repeatedly asked for sex or showed they were unhappy; feeling pressured by being lied to, or being told promises that were untrue.

By this definition if you’ve ever shown disappointment when someone you’ve asked out rejected you… or if someone has ever told you theyd love you forever… you’ve either committed or been victim to sexual violence. Why arent the numbers closer to 90% (for both genders) using these definitions. This business of loose definitions of rape was all explained several posts previusly though…

I mean a cite for the claim that 10% of male college students confess to regularly date-raping but don’t consider it a crime.

That doesn’t quite pass my smell test; what you’re essentially implying is that 1 in 5 women is violently sexually assaulted, and that only another 5-10% get groped or ass-grabbed or whatever.

My intuitive thinking is that the groped/ass-grabbed numbers would be MUCH higher than the violent sexual assaults, not the other way around.

There is likely no existing credible cite for the 10% of males assertion. And as shown from the other page giving the definition of sexual violence, this includes pretty much everything including thought crime. One can find some webpage supporting just about any claim, but don’t hold your breath waiting for a credible one to support these claims.

So, if, say, college lasts for 4 years but East Germany fell to the Soviets in 4 months, does this mean that, on a day-to-day basis, for a woman, each day on a US college campus is one-twelfth as dangerous as each day was for a woman in East Germany at that time?
Also, do other Western countries have such a sky-high rate of college-campus rape as U.S. universities? If not, then why is the U.S. rate so high?

The OP makes a fair comparison.

It is well documented that when Soviet troops were pouring into Germany in WWII, German women consoled themselves thinking how much worse it would be if they were on an Ivy league campus.

The rapes in occupied Germany lasted from spring of 45 to spring of 48 which is three years. So if the stats are correct each day was 25% less dangerous for the coeds.

Don’t know about other countries in general, but a survey for a UK newspaper indicates that about 1 in 3 female university students in the UK, and about 1 in 8 male ones, have been victims of some kind of sexual assault:

I only have anecdotal evidence from having lived around college students a lot, but the notion that maybe 1 in 3 college women get sexually assaulted (grabbing, groping, kissing, etc.), while maybe 1 in 100 are victims of full-on rape in the sense of some kind of forced penetration, sounds plausible to me. Likewise for the experiences of college men, and the fact that both women and men massively under-report specific instances of sexual assault.