# RAPE! RAPE!! (nope. pron. pron.) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 21, 2007, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127 "2007-02-21T20:15:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/41 "2007-02-22T05:01:40Z")
[QUOTE=Tiamatpuppy] Thats why we should ban swords because like guns they are intrinsically evil and MAKE people do things. [/QUOTE] Only if you fail your Will saving throw vs. Ego. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/42 "2007-02-22T05:36:10Z")
If he didn’t call 911 before he broke down the door, I’d press charges and sue the crap out of him. If he did call 911 and then broke down the door, I’d still press charges and sue the crap out of him, only I;d have less confidence that I’d win. The simple fact of the matter is that when some crazy fuck with a sword breaks down your door, it doesn’t matter what he tells the cops- all they see is a jackass with a sword threatening you and your VCR. ---
**Author:** ![Ruby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/13edae/32.png) [@Ruby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruby)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/43 "2007-02-22T05:55:01Z")
[slightly OT]I just googled rape porn (I know, silly me) and there is _really_ such a thing as brutal rape porn. Good Gawd, I have no objection to porn, even most fetish porn, but rape? Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/44 "2007-02-22T06:10:11Z")
\ Please don’t rape The Jesus. \ ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/45 "2007-02-22T07:15:01Z")
[QUOTE=Terrifel] Only if you fail your Will saving throw vs. Ego. [/QUOTE] Add me to the list of people who think you are my hero! ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/46 "2007-02-22T08:20:34Z")
[QUOTE=blinkingblinking] Who keeps a sword in their house? [/QUOTE] I have three! One of those Chinese sets, you know? No dragons or other crapola, mine are just flat, black-lacquered. And given how difficult it is to unsheat them from the wooden sheats without chopping some necessary body part off (due to the humidity they suffered at one point), much more useful as clubs than as swords. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/47 "2007-02-22T08:39:13Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] [Ummm](http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/silenus_/?action=view¤t=P1010122.jpg)…me? Although I would have used one of [these](http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/silenus_/?action=view¤t=P1010080.jpg). 😃 [/QUOTE] Silenus, from now on my mental picture of you is [this](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gimli_With_Axe.jpg). 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/48 "2007-02-22T10:11:33Z")
[QUOTE=Ruby] [slightly OT]I just googled rape porn (I know, silly me) and there is _really_ such a thing as brutal rape porn. Good Gawd, I have no objection to porn, even most fetish porn, but rape? Jesus. [/QUOTE] It’s weird at first blush, but there is at least one female Doper who is a rape survivor but finds rape _as a porn subject_ a big turn-on. FWIW, my brief “research” into the subject advises me that, on the Internet at least, the purveyors are keen to point out that **this is fantasy. The actors are doing it willingly. Doing this for real is scummy**. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/49 "2007-02-22T11:49:47Z")
[QUOTE=Little Nemo] According to the linked article, it went a little farther than just breaking the door and entering the apartment. I think it must have been pretty obvious when he first broke in that there was no violent crime going on inside. At that point, he should have apologized and offered to pay for the damage. Instead, the “rescuer” forced the apartment’s occupant into a closet at swordpoint and then searched the apartment before deciding it was safe to leave. [/QUOTE] This changes my opinion considerably. If he retrained the occupant in a closet at swordpoint, all charges should stand. As you point out, it should have been obvious that no rape had occurred. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/50 "2007-02-22T12:19:14Z")
[QUOTE=Ruby] [slightly OT]I just googled rape porn (I know, silly me) and there is _really_ such a thing as brutal rape porn. Good Gawd, I have no objection to porn, even most fetish porn, but rape? Jesus. [/QUOTE] In various internet media boards this is sometimes called “Rule 34”: If any scenario, phenomenon or behavior exists or can be imagined, there’s porn of it. And yes, once he went beyond busting down the door, to imprisoning the resident, he went beyond an explainable misunderstanding. And I must congratulate the resident on the excellent Home Theatre system that made a porn soundtrack sound like a live incident. (BTW, I would take pause before charging through doors with swords, if only due to the nonzero possibility of firearms on the other side). ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/51 "2007-02-22T13:11:24Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Ummm…me? :eek: An old-school Padres poster? I’da never thunk! > [@aruvqan](#): > > Hm our pair of real no shit combat-able swords have been used so far to wear as part of the normal gear for a late medieval period man, used in a decorative sword arch in 2 weddings, and to slice up a seriously large watermelon when we decided that the 12 inch chefs knife just wasnt going to really work all that well. > > If I am going to defend myself [or use it offensively] I am going for my ruger service 6 revolver. I am _not_ coming into arms reach of someone who could hurt me, I will reach out and touch them with extreme prejudice. > [@Tiamatpuppy](#): > > Thats why we should ban swords because like guns they are intrinsically evil and MAKE people do things. OK–to be fair, the sample of “my experience” is a little unrepresentative for a few reasons I won’t list here. What I said (the part you quoted) looks less sensible now than it did when I posted it. I didn’t mean to imply that weapons are “intrinsically evil and make people do things”–I own some myself–but I have heard from a few sword and gun owners that some small part of them wishes they could use it after they buy it. I hope you’ll concede the point I wanted to make, which was that you’re bound to react differently to a perceived threat to yourself or others if you own a potentially lethal weapon. And, in some cases, it might change what you perceive as a threat. Anyway, I’m not married to that point in particular. > [@Autolycus](#): > > I would probably fawn in adulation and ask him to join us in bed. What, after he threatened you with a sword? Well, whatever gets you off, but that wouldn’t be my reaction… ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/52 "2007-02-22T13:33:12Z")
OK, he has a sword does not have a phone, [and lives with his mother. At age 39.](http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/22/porn.sword.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories) I’m thinking these two guys need to hook up. ---
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/53 "2007-02-22T14:10:36Z")
I’m trying to figure out how the hell a guy breaks down someone’s door. What is the place made of- straw? Sticks? All the apartments and houses I’ve ever lived in have had front doors that are either solid wood or steel, and would take a battering ram to get through. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/54 "2007-02-22T14:57:21Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s weird at first blush, but there is at least one female Doper who is a rape survivor but finds rape as a porn subject a big turn-on. Sure. But my jury’s out on whether that’s a healthy response or not. Rape survivors may have all sorts of issues to deal with, especially with regards to sexuality, so personally I remain unconvinced that a rape survivor sexually fantasizing about rape is anything other than trauma-related and maladaptive. (On the other hand, many women who have not been victimized have these fetishes as well. I think overall it’s up to the individual in question to take a serious look at what motivates them to find certain things arousing, and how they feel in regards to it. If a rape survivor is turned on by rape fantasies and afterwards feels like utter shit about it in a masochistic kind of “Oh I just got what I deserved” kind of way, I would find that problematic.) Personally I’d rather it didn’t exist at all–not that I would actively push to have it censored, but only that the fact it exists makes me feel sad and depressed about human nature. ---
**Author:** ![milquetoast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/258eb7/32.png) [@milquetoast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milquetoast)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/55 "2007-02-22T15:26:12Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] This changes my opinion considerably. If he retrained the occupant in a closet at swordpoint, all charges should stand. As you point out, it should have been obvious that no rape had occurred. [/QUOTE] The article that **NurseCarmen** linked to gives the defendant’s side of the story: > [@](#): > > The neighbor told police Van Iveren became increasingly aggressive as he repeated the question, insisting that he had heard a woman being raped. The complaint said that, with the sword pointed at him, the neighbor led Van Iveren throughout the apartment, opening closet doors to prove he was alone. > > But Van Iveren said it was not nearly that dramatic. > > “I walked in the front room and looked around. When I saw there was no woman, I left,” he said. > > Van Iveren insisted that he never threatened the neighbor with the sword. > > “I had the sword extended. But that was all,” he said. This basically makes it a she screamed/he said/he said situation. But from what I’ve read, I would be more inclined to accept the neighbor’s side of the story. Meaning that just paying for the damage is not enough. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/56 "2007-02-22T15:28:21Z")
I’m running a bit late and apologize if I missed a link to this update, but: [The dude forced his way in _ten hours_ after buddy put the tissues and lube away.](http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=569088) :eek: > [@](#): > > But if Van Iveren was attempting to rescue what he thought was a woman in danger he was “obnoxiously late,” said Stieghorst, who said he watched the movie between 1 and 2:30 a.m., but Van Iveren did not burst into his apartment until about 11:30 a.m. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/57 "2007-02-22T15:49:18Z")
Well, that has a change on the landscape. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/58 "2007-02-22T15:58:27Z")
[QUOTE=Larry Mudd] I’m running a bit late and apologize if I missed a link to this update, but: [The dude forced his way in _ten hours_ after buddy put the tissues and lube away.](http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=569088) :eek: [/QUOTE] Nevermind, if this is true, the neighbor was not doing a good deed. He now sounds more like he is mentally disturbed. Jim ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/59 "2007-02-22T16:04:37Z")
I don’t know why, but this: [QUOTE=The Porn Watching Guy] “It’s all in Spanish, and I don’t understand a word of it,” he said. “I only bought it for the hot chicks.” [/QUOTE] made me laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127/60 "2007-02-22T16:20:07Z")
[QUOTE=McNew] I’m trying to figure out how the hell a guy breaks down someone’s door. What is the place made of- straw? Sticks? All the apartments and houses I’ve ever lived in have had front doors that are either solid wood or steel, and would take a battering ram to get through. [/QUOTE] Not several of the places where I lived in Miami. You could have slipped on the floor and have put your elbow halfway through those doors. I’m reading completely different information from the neighbor in the different articles. Either he’s got memory problems or a lawyer who doesn’t think newspaper clips can count as evidence (no idea whether they can). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-rape-nope-pron-pron/393127.md?page=4)