# "Rape" sex?! What the hell is wrong with you people?! (Fucked up!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 6, 2002, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624 "2002-05-06T21:34:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2002, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/141 "2002-05-08T18:08:21Z")
I love you andros. Come over here and punch me in the face. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix\_Dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Phoenix\_Dragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phoenix_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2002, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/142 "2002-05-08T19:35:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lizard \* > \*\* > That’s because you are totally garbling what I said beyond all recognition. Somebody (I believe it was **evilbeth** ) said if watching a John Woo film made me a murderous Asian gangster. I said the situations are not comparable, because a movie is clearly just that, a movie. If I saw a web site advertising “real pics of someone being murdered!” I would have the same reaction I’m having to rape porn. \*\* Maybe someone should introduce you to [rotten.com](http://rotten.com) or the “faces of death” movies. Those (Or at least most of them) are far more real than any rape-porn you’ll find. Hell, you can see real people dying every now and then watching one of those police-chase shows, the news, etc. ---
**Author:** ![bernse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@bernse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bernse)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2002, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/143 "2002-05-08T21:16:34Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s all well and good to chant “it’s not real” as if it were so obvious and anybody who doubts it is ignorant. To that I say “prove it”! That’s right, go out and find the people in those pictures and the people who made them, and get sworn testimony from them the photos are faked. Oh, what’s that? You can’t, you say? Unrealistic, you say? Gee, I guess you can’t prove it’s fake at all, can you? So for all we know, that’s real rape we’re looking at. That’s real blood, those are real burns, those are real screams of pain. Oh. My. Gawd. That’s just the best. Regardless of how flawed that argument is, agree to at least look at it this: Which is more likely: (a) A woman is kidnapped, brought into a basement where lights and cameras are waiting, she’s bound and gagged, beaten and whipped, done up the ass, multiple cum shots etc… and all this time genuinely screaming for her life. These men in the meantime actually _document_ themselves commiting a felony. **OR** (b) She’s acting. He’s acting. They’re trying to make a buck or two (regardless of ethics involved). Occams Razor. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2002, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/144 "2002-05-08T21:24:32Z")
Fenris\>\>\> I’m fully aware of that. The same goes here. And the same misconception too, that every individual has a right to get their voices heard. Maybe I was a bit unclear in my use of pronouns. But, being a journalist myself, I stand firmly béhind the idea that Larry Flynt is a price worth paying, to avoid cencorship. It only gives them the right to buy their own printing press and start chunking out rants against… rape porn. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2002, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/145 "2002-05-08T23:42:44Z")
> [@](#): > > **(jarbabyj)** I love you andros. Come over here and punch me in the face. You people are sick. I love you all. And I respect the apparently infinite patience of those who are trying to get **Lizard** and **Space Vampire** (“coast to coast!”) to see past their own preconceptions and recognize that they cannot apply their personal moralities to everybody else. My wife and I share a happy and fulfilling sex life that goes into some of these “icky” fantasy areas, and we’re none the worse for wear. I had considered weighing in a couple of pages ago, but I recognize that jumping up and down and screaming would make me look just as silly as those I’d be trying to convince. So I’ve stayed out. Keep it up, y’all. You’re doin’ the Lord’s work here. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2002, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/146 "2002-05-09T00:11:35Z")
I think we won this one, guys and gals. It appears that Lizard and Space Vampie ain’t hanging around no more. Perhaps they will be by later to comment on the error of their ways? ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2002, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/147 "2002-05-09T00:16:29Z")
Hell, I’ll just settle for them admitting that not everyone with rape fantasies is a ‘sick fuck’ j ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2002, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/148 "2002-05-09T00:50:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > \*\*Hell, I’ll just settle for them admitting that not everyone with rape fantasies is a ‘sick fuck’ > j \*\* Check any of my last three posts. I already said several times that what people do to themselves in private or think in their own head is of no consequence. And no, I’m not done. Not by a long shot. Some people here have proven to be very resistant to my main arguments, since red herrings are STILL falling like rain. Very well. As soon as I have time to type it, I will prepare the Mother of All Anti-Rape Porn Arguments. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2002, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/149 "2002-05-09T00:50:52Z")
High five, **robertliguori**. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2002, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/150 "2002-05-09T02:05:58Z")
> [@](#): > > As soon as I have time to type it, I will prepare the Mother of All Anti-Rape Porn Arguments. Your mother says it’s time to get off the computer now. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2002, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/151 "2002-05-09T04:05:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lizard \* > \*\* > > It’s all well and good to chant “it’s not real” as if it were so obvious and anybody who doubts it is ignorant. To that I say “prove it”! That’s right, go out and find the people in those pictures and the people who made them, and get sworn testimony from them the photos are faked. Oh, what’s that? You can’t, you say? Unrealistic, you say? Gee, I guess you can’t prove it’s fake at all, can you? So for all we know, that’s real rape we’re looking at. That’s real blood, those are real burns, those are real screams of pain. > So if you want to ignore the possibility that a person was really raped to allow someone else to get off, go right ahead. You are displaying your character for all to see. \*\* I can’t believe you are even pretending to be serious with this. Therefore I laugh. HA! ---
**Author:** ![Space\_Vampire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Space\_Vampire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Space_Vampire)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2002, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/152 "2002-05-09T11:09:06Z")
Actually, I’m bored with this argument, but since everyone’s celebrating victory I’ll just pop and and say: what-the-fuck-ever. You all are either defending things sight-unseen that you wouldn’t if you had a better idea of what I’m talking about, or are utterly depraved sub-humans who should be summarily executed. I will be charitable and assume the former; that some bondage-freaks might be offended that others look down on their preference I can understand, but that an overwhelming majority of the people on this board can truly look at the stuff I’m talking about and honestly call it okay is a prospect so horrible it makes me wonder if [VHEMT.org](http://VHEMT.org) might be the way to go. So for the sake of whatever faith in humanity I have left, I will assume most of you are either unclear on what material I’m talking about or are playing devil’s advocate. ---
**Author:** ![Space\_Vampire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Space\_Vampire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Space_Vampire)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2002, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/153 "2002-05-09T11:10:53Z")
Also, this debate actually makes me regret the ban on pornographic links. It would definitely help if we were all talking about the same stuff, which I suspect we’re not. Not that I intend to do a lot of digging, but just the stuff that shows up in my spam folder is pretty awful. ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2002, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/154 "2002-05-09T11:55:08Z")
> [@](#): > > That’s right, go out and find the people in those pictures and the people who made them, and get sworn testimony from them the photos are faked. Prove your innocence! Prove their innocence! Tell you what…YOU hunt 'em down and prove their GUILT. That makes just a tiny smidgen more sense to me. Or do we save that kind of thing for the trial? Sheesh. I don’t care what evidence Lizard and Space Vampire come up with, unless it’s a set of court documents detailing the successful prosecution of producers of REAL RAPE PORN. Sheeit, I saw a VERY realistic looking pornographic execution of a woman. It was realistic enough that it genuinely disturbed me. I really thought this woman had been shot and that the .mpg of it was floating around the internet. Then I discovered it had been faked. Didn’t make it any less disturbing, but knowing it was faked made me a lot more comfortable about the fact that it was being distributed on the internet. What I’m getting from the anti-rape-porn people in here is that even if there **was** proof that it was faked, they’d think it was awful and want it gone because it LOOKS too real and SOMEONE might get IDEAS. You wanna see realistic looking rape? Want me to come up with a list of movies that include realistic rape scenes? **Mainstream** movies? If someone rents “The Accused,” not to see the intense trial, but to masturbate to the rape scene, should we take the movie off the market because “SOME sick fuck is getting OFF on that!!!”?? If not…why? It’s still someone getting off to a realistic representation of rape… I just don’t understand, I guess. And since **Lizard** never answered my twice-posted question yesterday (and yes, **RTFirefly** , I think he’s posted enough times since then and I’ve waited long enough that it can be safely assumed that he ignored it), I have to assume that even if the videos were advertised as “Simulated depictions of rape” he’d object. So I’m trying to figure out when rape scenes become okay, or if they’re NEVER okay, and if they’re NEVER okay, why he hasn’t campained to ban “The Accused,” “The Highlander,” “The Usual Suspects”… ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2002, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/155 "2002-05-09T12:29:10Z")
call me freak… bondage freak. Thank God Space Vampire decided we shouldn’t all be executed. someone might have filmed that. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2002, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/156 "2002-05-09T13:34:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by shell \* > \*\*Maybe this is a really foolish question, but how many of you in favor of this “rape porn” have actually been raped? And not the pretend kind with a safe word and all that. I mean real knife-at-the-throat, gun-at-the head kind of rape? \*\* I was raped while unconscious. Before that and after I still have rape fantasies. They aren’t connected. I would never want to be raped again for real. ---
**Author:** ![kellibelli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@kellibelli](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kellibelli)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2002, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/157 "2002-05-09T13:43:50Z")
OK, hammy, you are the pearl of all wisdom, I am in awe. SofaKing, OMFG that sould have come with a warning label, man that was wally-esque in its brilliance, I bow to you. All you smutty writers - hey bitches! link me!!! or for gods sake, mail me some! [kellibelli\_kb@yahoo.com](mailto:kellibelli_kb@yahoo.com) and andros, hun, lay off wil weaton, or I will have to spank you with a wooden spoon. oxoxo K ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2002, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/158 "2002-05-09T14:13:51Z")
> [@](#): > > I think we won this one, guys and gals. > [@](#): > > High five, robertliguori. > [@](#): > > Your mother says it’s time to get off the computer now. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![sidle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee59a6/32.png) [@sidle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sidle)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2002, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/159 "2002-05-09T14:30:16Z")
[QUOTE[_originally posted by Lizard_One was “midget sex,” which, while not my cup of tea, is still within the realm of ordinary human behavior. [/QUOTE] [Homer Simpson] “MMMMmmmm…midget pooooorn…” [/Homer Simpson] Any takers? I can’t believe it myself, but **someone** has to get into this stuff. Is is just for dwarfs? 'Fess up! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2002, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-sex-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people-fucked-up/107624/160 "2002-05-09T17:04:22Z")
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