# Rape should be legal, as long as it's not "violent" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 6, 2019, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449 "2019-12-06T02:29:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2019, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/61 "2019-12-07T17:39:18Z")
> [@margin](#): > > My point, badly-made, was maybe that that realization would somehow indicate a better angle of attack. I had an encounter with a guy who really, _really_ believed that he wasn’t trying to commit sexual assault. Lying to himself created this wonderful fantasy world where he was a great husband and platoon sergeant who was constantly beset by lying seductive harpies. To protect that fantasy world I really think he would have----or might have since-----killed anyone who posed a threat. > > I wonder how many predators like him are out there. My grandfather rationalized that telling a prisoner to choose between opening up for him or for his five subordinates wasn’t rape: after all, she’d chosen. Was he sincere in his belief? Sure. As he was sincere in his belief that teaching his 5yo grandsons to masturbate in front of his pedophile friends (who would then owe him favors) was fine. After all, everybody enjoys masturbation, right? BEING A SINCERE PIECE OF SHIT DOESN’T MAKE ANYBODY STINK LESS. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2019, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/62 "2019-12-07T20:28:14Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > My grandfather rationalized that telling a prisoner to choose between opening up for him or for his five subordinates wasn’t rape: after all, she’d chosen. > > Was he sincere in his belief? Sure. As he was sincere in his belief that teaching his 5yo grandsons to masturbate in front of his pedophile friends (who would then owe him favors) was fine. After all, everybody enjoys masturbation, right? > > BEING A SINCERE PIECE OF SHIT DOESN’T MAKE ANYBODY STINK LESS. This. For example if such a “sincere” piece of shit ever had ever made such advances on say my sister, he’d be dead. He’d be - as they sang in the Wizard Of Oz, SINCERELY DEAD. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2019, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/63 "2019-12-08T04:03:48Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Was I? Yes, you were. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Now stop attacking the person attacking the wannabe-rapist, and get back to attacking the wannabe-rapist. Or fuck off, whichever you prefer. I can multi-task. I have no problem attacking what Daniel Shravan said while also pointing out that you’re making a very poor argument. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2019, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/64 "2019-12-08T05:27:10Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [It has been tried.](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-05-14-mn-35226-story.html) > > He got 40 years. From the link: > [@](#): > > The case gained national attention in September when a Travis County grand jury declined to indict Valdez, sparking community protests from women’s groups and the victim, who denied that her request for a condom meant she consented to sex. This was in “liberal” Austin, no less. It _was_ more than 25 years ago, so there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2019, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/65 "2019-12-08T05:34:35Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > My grandfather rationalized that telling a prisoner to choose between opening up for him or for his five subordinates wasn’t rape: after all, she’d chosen. > > Was he sincere in his belief? Sure. As he was sincere in his belief that teaching his 5yo grandsons to masturbate in front of his pedophile friends (who would then owe him favors) was fine. After all, everybody enjoys masturbation, right? > > BEING A SINCERE PIECE OF SHIT DOESN’T MAKE ANYBODY STINK LESS. Okay, you DO realize that A. this guy tried to attack ME; and B: if you face a guy like that, it might help you to escape him or interrogate him. Jesus fucking Christ. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2019, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/66 "2019-12-08T06:32:18Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Yes, you were. I notice you ignored the followup : > [@MrDibble](#): > > Was I? **Care to quote me saying that** … because of course you can’t. Fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/67 "2019-12-08T14:38:41Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Fuck off. No, U. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/68 "2019-12-08T19:47:36Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Sadly, [Snopes reports](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rapex/) that while it’s been invented, it’s never been marketed or available for purchase. Too damn bad, sez I. Rapists deserve this and worse. And what is preventing me from making my own version =) ---
**Author:** ![the\_bing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5e9695/32.png) [@the\_bing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_bing)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/69 "2019-12-10T10:54:10Z")
Just read the link in the OP… How do these people walk among us? I’d like to know how on earth he came to his viewpoint and - AND - is comfortable enough to express this view in public At any rate, I suspect none of the females in his life have had to suffer such a fate… (and if they have, that’s just even more f\*\*ked up…) ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/70 "2019-12-10T14:42:08Z")
However, aborting a pregnancy resulting from rape should be illegal, because “the baby didn’t do anything wrong.” Apparently tying a woman to her rapist for the rest of her life is not “wrong.” ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/71 "2019-12-10T15:09:11Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > However, aborting a pregnancy resulting from rape should be illegal, because “the baby didn’t do anything wrong.” Apparently tying a woman to her rapist for the rest of her life is not “wrong.” I think the root of the argument to include rape/incest fetuses in anti-abortion proposals is that the wrongness of the situation (the relationship between the adults, from which the pregnancy was not universally desired) is _less wrong_ than the wrongness of taking the life of a child because it is expedient to do so. If killing an otherwise viable fetus is a bad thing sometimes, it should always be considered a bad thing. I find that argument to be refreshingly honest about its intentions, although I do not agree with it. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/72 "2019-12-10T15:39:22Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > However, aborting a pregnancy resulting from rape should be illegal, because “the baby didn’t do anything wrong.” Apparently tying a woman to her rapist for the rest of her life is not “wrong.” I don’t think the abortion issue plays the same role in Indian culture and politics that it plays here. I don’t see any reason to believe that this guy is anti-abortion. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/73 "2019-12-10T15:53:07Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > And what is preventing me from making my own version =) Aside from the fact that it would require the woman \* to be raped\* and considering that society hasn’t changed enough at all, do you really think any woman would be believed? There’s also the danger of an enraged, injured rapist----and his friends. Here’s a clear-cut case where a man attacked a woman and SHE got 20 years for firing a warning shot----in the state where George Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin in cold blood and claimed self defense. [Marissa Alexander case - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marissa_Alexander_case) Although I’m sure our brave Repubs will try and nitpick it to death. > **[Roosh V](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roosh_V)** > > Daryush Valizadeh (known by his Internet alias Roosh Vörek or Roosh V) is an American Christian fundamentalist, antisemite, manosphere denizen, misogynist, rape advocate (as well as a possible rapist himself if his accounts in his books are to be... Another pro-rape dude. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/74 "2019-12-10T16:33:27Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I notice you ignored the followup : > > > [@MrDibble](#): > > > > Was I? Care to quote me saying that > > … because of course you can’t. I was assuming you read your own posts and were aware of what you had written. Apparently not. So here’s the whole dialogue: > [@MrDibble](#): > > You’re incredibly naive if you think he’s some crazy outlier, rather than exhibiting a fairly typical attitude. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You think that feeling rape should be legalized is a fairly typical attitude? I certainly don’t think that’s true. > [@MrDibble](#): > > No, the attitude that men are entitled to women’s bodies. Expressing it as “rape should be legalised” is just a new take on a very old idea. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’m seeing a pretty significant difference between the attitude that men are entitled to women’s bodies and the attitude that rape should be legalized. And I don’t think either attitude is as typical as you believe. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Are you fucking joking? Hell no, there’s no real difference. And as a bonus, here’s a collection of you demonstrating your skills as a debater: > [@MrDibble](#): > > Now, kindly fuck off. > [@MrDibble](#): > > shut the fuck up. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Fuck off. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Now fuck off back to Clown School, Bozo. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Fuck off! > [@MrDibble](#): > > Fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/75 "2019-12-10T16:36:18Z")
> [@margin](#): > > … > Here’s a clear-cut case where a man attacked a woman and SHE got 20 years for firing a warning shot----in the state where George Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin in cold blood and claimed self defense. [Marissa Alexander case - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marissa_Alexander_case) > … She should have emptied the gun in his face and then invoked “Stand Your Ground”. Hopefully in the very near future, SOMEONE will. Because rapists don’t just decide one day to stop. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/76 "2019-12-10T17:25:02Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Here’s a clear-cut case where a man attacked a woman and SHE got 20 years for firing a warning shot----in the state where George Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin in cold blood and claimed self defense. [Marissa Alexander case - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marissa_Alexander_case) That one doesn’t seem that clear cut. Or maybe it is just badly written. The links says he threatened to kill her via text, not that he attacked her. It also says that she was in his house. It doesn’t say when she got the texts. Then she went to her car to grab a gun and came back into his kitchen. That is not standing your ground. She then fired ‘a warning shot’. > [@](#): > > Alexander fired a “warning shot” towards Gray _with his children nearby_, which _hit the wall near Gray at the height of his head_, then deflected into the ceiling > [@](#): > > Corey has defended herself by saying that she believes Alexander fired the weapon out of anger and not fear, and that she endangered the lives of Gray’s two children in the process. Corey said, “She discharged a gun to kill them.”[21] That doesn’t seem as much of a warning shot as it does evidence that someone needs to spend some time at the firing range to work on her aim. In any event, she did three years and is now out. We will now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/77 "2019-12-10T18:41:07Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > That one doesn’t seem that clear cut. Or maybe it is just badly written. > > The links says he threatened to kill her via text, not that he attacked her. It also says that she was in his house. It doesn’t say when she got the texts. Then she went to her car to grab a gun and came back into his kitchen. That is not standing your ground. > She then fired ‘a warning shot’. > > That doesn’t seem as much of a warning shot as it does evidence that someone needs to spend some time at the firing range to work on her aim. > > In any event, she did three years and is now out. > > We will now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion. It’s badly written. Other sources state she fired a warning shot into the ceiling. He had a history of violence towards her, and she had just given birth nine days earlier. In addition, she had both a restraining order and a license to carry. She is five feet two, while her husband weighs 245 lbs. Jeez, I fucking hate my goddamned phone. It loads so slow you’d think it was fucking dial up. And _Jesus fucking Christ_, it tells me I’m logged in when I’m about to post, then says, “Psych! No you’re not!” ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/78 "2019-12-10T19:41:15Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > So here’s the whole dialogue Like I said - nowhere in that first post do I say anything about legalization, and only about attitude. So: bullshit lies from you as to what “claim” I was making. Thanks for quoting it. > [@](#): > > you demonstrating your skills as a debater This is \*you \*demonstrating your shitty skills at knowing what forum you’re in (not that you’re not \*also \*wrong about the facts) So, I say again: Fuck Off. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/79 "2019-12-10T19:51:11Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > This is \*you \*demonstrating your shitty skills at knowing what forum you’re in (not that you’re not \*also \*wrong about the facts) > > So, I say again: Fuck Off. I am aware this is the BBQ Pit. But I don’t feel the need to swear at people in frustration. I’m capable of winning an argument and showing them to be fools, which is much better. You may not understand that I won this round. But the evidence is there and everyone else can see it. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449/80 "2019-12-10T19:52:59Z")
> [@margin](#): > > [Roosh V - RationalWiki](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roosh_V) > > Another pro-rape dude. > [@Roosh V](#): > > . If rape becomes legal, she will never be unchaperoned with a man she doesn’t want to sleep with. So basically, these legalize rape proponents want women’s lives to be circumscribed by their dependence on men. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-should-be-legal-as-long-as-its-not-violent/844449.md?page=5)