# Rape story selling on ebay \[NSFW\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 14, 2005, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260 "2005-04-14T10:09:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/21 "2005-04-14T16:45:11Z")
> [@Zabali\_Clawbane](#): > > I’m veiwing it as “kiddie porn”, especially since it’s also allegedly written by a 16 year old, and has an erotic picture presumably of said 16 year old. If it is seen as “kiddie porn” than the seller is commiting a crime, and one that people are encouraged to report to the government, especially kiddie porn on the internet. No. I’m not up to date on US law\*, but _writing_ a fictional story which features someone who’s underage is not illegal. The law is there to protect actual minors, not to protect sensitive readers. It does raise an interesting moral/legal question, perhaps better suited for GD: A pedophile jacking off to a porn pic of a modell who _is_ over 18, but looks and poses as a 12 y.o. is perfectly legal. Owning a copy of Penthouse with Traci Lords (who was 15 at the time, but certainly looks as if she is over 18) is illegal. As I said, the law is there to protect the minor, but from a moral standpoint, I can’t help but think that some pedophile would be more interested in the former type than in the latter - thus he can legally feed his habit. \*These things are more or less international law nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/22 "2005-04-14T16:51:43Z")
This is not simple kiddie porn here, folks. Has no one else noticed the bit about the proceeds going toward hospital bills? ---
**Author:** ![belladonna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@belladonna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/belladonna)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/23 "2005-04-14T16:57:27Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > This is not simple kiddie porn here, folks. Has no one else noticed the bit about the proceeds going toward hospital bills? At the risk of being wooshed, I thought we’d already established that it isn’t kiddie porn of \*any \* kind, let alone “simple”. And the hospital bill stuff was quoted in the OP, it’s just part of the sell. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/24 "2005-04-14T17:34:20Z")
> [@belladonna](#): > > At the risk of being wooshed, I thought we’d already established that it isn’t kiddie porn of \*any \* kind, let alone “simple”. It’s a - -highly questionable - story of a child’s rape. As a story, it’s porn involving a child. > [@](#): > > And the hospital bill stuff was quoted in the OP, it’s just part of the sell. Given the story’s questionable veracity, the bit about hospital bills puts it in the realm of “scam”. The “seller” is going after those who are interested in the story _and_ those who are interested in paying some hospital bills that probably don’t even exist. My guess is someone decided to try out one of those “email tracking” spams as an auction. ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/25 "2005-04-14T17:50:14Z")
But…but…they already sold all of their DVDs (Chris Farley/Adam Sandler/Beavis & Butthead)! And the sign they stole off a building! These people are clearly serious about raising money. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/26 "2005-04-14T18:11:33Z")
It’s _fraud_, is what it is. ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/27 "2005-04-14T18:23:17Z")
> [@blowero](#): > > It’s _fraud_, is what it is. Agreed. It isn’t child pornography and the story isn’t illegal in itself, but given that they are probably lying about the ultimate destination of the funds, it’s likely fraud. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/28 "2005-04-14T18:26:14Z")
> [@blowero](#): > > It’s _fraud_, is what it is. Hi there! 'Bout time someone else noticed. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/29 "2005-04-14T18:40:46Z")
I don’t know if it’s really fraud, either, at least no more so than all those convoluted stories on eBay about how they’re selling ghost-infested clocks/the soon-to-be-ex’s stuff/cursed leather boots/etc. Why would a story about using the proceeds to pay medical bills be treated much different by them? ---
**Author:** ![belladonna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@belladonna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/belladonna)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/30 "2005-04-14T18:44:29Z")
I see now what you’re saying about how it could be considered fraudulent, so I won’t argue with that. I guess I just assumed people would realize it was a “fantasy package” of sorts. Maybe I overestimate people though. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/31 "2005-04-14T22:02:42Z")
> [@Ferret Herder](#): > > I don’t know if it’s really fraud, either, at least no more so than all those convoluted stories on eBay about how they’re selling ghost-infested clocks/the soon-to-be-ex’s stuff/cursed leather boots/etc. Why would a story about using the proceeds to pay medical bills be treated much different by them? With the cursed & haunted stuff, the buyer already knows what they’re getting into. They’ll probably start noticing weird things happening in their lives and attribute it to whatever they bought. Ex’s stuff? As long as it’s not stolen, no real problem there. Asking people to pay for non-existant medical bills is long-standing scam, one that’s probably been around since the day after medical bills were created. This one just happens to be associated with an auction. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/32 "2005-04-14T22:52:46Z")
I too have reported it to eBay, hoping that the more people that report it, the more likely it is to be taken down. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/33 "2005-04-16T17:34:00Z")
Well, it’s still there. The seller got one buck out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/34 "2005-04-16T18:19:26Z")
Mmm, no he didn’t. There are 0 bids. The listing says the auction has been ended early because the item is no longer for sale. There’s also an addendum at the bottom of the listing griping about the people who have sent him hate mail. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/35 "2005-04-16T18:57:25Z")
> [@Jenaroph](#): > > Mmm, no he didn’t. There are 0 bids. The listing says the auction has been ended early because the item is no longer for sale. > > There’s also an addendum at the bottom of the listing griping about the people who have sent him hate mail. Weird, as of yesterday there was indeed one bid. I’m glad the listing was shut down, whether he did it or eBay. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/36 "2005-04-16T23:07:00Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > It’s a - -highly questionable - story of a child’s rape. As a story, it’s porn involving a child. But it is not that which is _defined as the **crime** _ of “Child Pornography” under US Law. It has a very specific definition and people will make a point of doing the legalistic hairsplitting, because of the grave potential legal consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/37 "2005-04-17T17:23:19Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > But it is not that which is _defined as the **crime** _ of “Child Pornography” under US Law. It has a very specific definition and people will make a point of doing the legalistic hairsplitting, because of the grave potential legal consequences. Yet, prosecutors have hung parents out to dry for having pictures of their precious baby, naked in the bath tub, so who knows just what the prosecutor would do? Especially since it seems the target customer base of that “story” were people who’d get a thrill from pretending that a six year old child was raped. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/38 "2005-04-17T17:23:40Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > But it is not that which is _defined as the **crime** _ of “Child Pornography” under US Law. IMHO, there’s child porn and there’s _child porn_, the latter of which is illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/39 "2005-04-17T17:52:21Z")
> [@Zabali\_Clawbane](#): > > Yet, prosecutors have hung parents out to dry for having pictures of their precious baby, naked in the bath tub, so who knows just what the prosecutor would do? Just because a few stray District Attorneys go overboard doesn’t mean they succeed. > [@](#): > > Especially since it seems the target customer base of that “story” were people who’d get a thrill from pretending that a six year old child was raped. The rationale behind the government being able to ban child pornography is because it harms actual children, **not** because the people who want to watch it have icky thoughts. Jesus Christ, we want to arrest people for thought crimes now? ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260/40 "2005-04-17T18:00:00Z")
> [@Zabali\_Clawbane](#): > > Yet, prosecutors have hung parents out to dry for having pictures of their precious baby, naked in the bath tub, so who knows just what the prosecutor would do? However zealous he be, a prosecutor could ‘do’ nothing at all with the story alone\*. The simple fact is that, as has been stated above, it is not against the law to write or read such stuff, however abhorrent we may think it. The internet is full of stories that make the skin crawl. Sure, they are the product of diseased imaginations but however sick they might be, the stories are protected by the First Amendment. - Although he could probably use the possession of such writings, if you were up on related charges, to show the jury what a lowlife you were. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rape-story-selling-on-ebay-nsfw/299260.md?page=3)