# Ratings: Why is Romeo and Juliet PG-13 while Richard III is R?
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**Created:** [March 19, 2003, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ratings-why-is-romeo-and-juliet-pg-13-while-richard-iii-is-r/162629 "2003-03-19T20:40:12Z")
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### Author:  [@Dragonblink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragonblink)
#### Post date: [March 19, 2003, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ratings-why-is-romeo-and-juliet-pg-13-while-richard-iii-is-r/162629/1 "2003-03-19T20:40:12Z")
I made a quick survey of my DVD collection earlier, and came to a strange realization: the 1996 movie version of [Romeo and Juliet](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0117509) is rated PG-13 (for “contemporary violence and some sensuality” according to the MPAA). The 1995 movie version of [Richard III](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0114279) is rated R (“violence and sexuality”).
What does _Richard III_ have that _Romeo and Juliet_ doesn’t?
(I’m not putting any spoiler tags on here, because I’m assuming everyone knows the rough plots of both plays. Y’all’ve been warned)
In R&J, the violence is in a gang-related context, except for the suicides at the end (and the threatened suicide when Juliet holds a gun to her own head). In Richard, they’re political assassinations for the most part. They’re a wee bit more graphic, what with Earl Rivers getting stabbed through the chest, a drowning, and an onscreen hanging. But then again, Mercutio is basically impaled, and he’s a character we’ve come to know and love by that point of the movie.
In R&J, the Montague crew drops acid before going to the Capulets’ party. In Richard, Lady Anne shoots up (well, and there’s constant smoking, but that doesn’t count).
In R&J, the two main characters (of strategically indeterminate age) have sex – the act itself is offscreen, but they’re shown in bed together _en déshabille_. In Richard, there’s an implied act of oral sex, but not much nudity to speak of. Ah wait, I just remembered the “good guy” Richmond waking up in bed next to his bride, so that’s pretty similar.
R&J has crossdressing, venemous hate between the two families, drunken debauchery, and some jokes with homosexual undertones. Richard has … well, the most gleefully evil bastard in stage history. And some possible offscreen animal cruelty.
What am I missing? Is it all in the marketing? Was _Romeo and Juliet_ rated PG-13 because it was marketed toward the younger crowd, while nobody expected 13-year-olds to want to go see _Richard III_ because it was cool? (Nowadays, parents can entice children with “Hey Magneto/Gandalf is in it!”) Is it the music? Is it the darker (?) tone of Richard?
– Dragonblink, who also noted that _Spartacus_ is PG-13 while _Ben Hur_ is rated G, of all things
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### Author:  [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)
#### Post date: [March 19, 2003, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ratings-why-is-romeo-and-juliet-pg-13-while-richard-iii-is-r/162629/2 "2003-03-19T20:52:43Z")
When did _Richard III_ come out? The PG-13 rating has only been around for 15 or so years now.
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### Author:  [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)
#### Post date: [March 19, 2003, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ratings-why-is-romeo-and-juliet-pg-13-while-richard-iii-is-r/162629/3 "2003-03-19T20:54:21Z")
:smack:
Sorry, didn’t see the links until too late.
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### Author:  [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)
#### Post date: [March 19, 2003, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ratings-why-is-romeo-and-juliet-pg-13-while-richard-iii-is-r/162629/4 "2003-03-19T21:16:15Z")
I don’t think _Romeo + Juliet_ (which is how they write the title on my DVD) has anything as shocking and nasty as the boobytrapped bed scene in _Richard III_.
The latter is a much better movie, though.
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### Author:  [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)
#### Post date: [March 19, 2003, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ratings-why-is-romeo-and-juliet-pg-13-while-richard-iii-is-r/162629/5 "2003-03-19T21:18:01Z")
Well Richard does have a war.
I think the violence in Richard III is just a bit more graphic than R+J. It’s been a while since I watched that version of R+J so I’m not sure.
But realize that the ‘ratings’ are not hard and fast. A group of people watch a film and then vote on a rating. So you may have a different group of people watch these two films. A group of people watching a film in '75 would give a different rating then a group watching in '95.
[You can find more than you ever wanted to know about ratings here.](http://www.mpaa.org/home.htm)
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### Author:  [@Dragonblink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragonblink)
#### Post date: [March 19, 2003, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ratings-why-is-romeo-and-juliet-pg-13-while-richard-iii-is-r/162629/6 "2003-03-19T21:29:39Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Zebra \*
> **A group of people watching a film in '75 would give a different rating then a group watching in '95.**
That may be, but these movies came out only a year apart, so the influence of changing times wouldn’t be that great. It could be just a difference in the group of people, though.
River’s death (which incidentally wasn’t a booby trap, it was Tyrell sneaking in – but I mainly know that because I’ve read the screenplay) was pretty graphic; the similar death in R&J, Mercutio’s impalement, was slightly less graphic but much more emotional. Compare, however, people getting eaten alive in the PG-13 _Jurassic Park_ (1993), and the war in Branagh’s PG-13 _Henry V_ (1989).
I know the ratings are pretty arbitrary, I’m just trying to get some idea of the motivation behind the difference … other than people sitting around a table and going “That McKellen guy gave me nightmares. He’d scare small children. Rate it R.” 🙂
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### Author:  [@Hail\_Ants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hail_Ants)
#### Post date: [March 19, 2003, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ratings-why-is-romeo-and-juliet-pg-13-while-richard-iii-is-r/162629/7 "2003-03-19T23:56:08Z")
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> “That McKellen guy gave me nightmares. He’d scare small children. Rate it R.”
Yeah, Richard was evil incarnate. He literally set out to destroy everyone in the most insidious ways he possibly could. He lied, cheated, double & triple crossed friends, enemies, relatives not just for power but **because he enjoyed every minute of it!**
R&J is just a tragedy of star-crossed lovers. Bad things happen in it because of bad luck & fate, but everyone pretty much tries to get what they want without deliberately hurting anyone.
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### Author:  [@Vengeant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vengeant)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2003, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ratings-why-is-romeo-and-juliet-pg-13-while-richard-iii-is-r/162629/8 "2003-03-20T03:18:13Z")
Nazi-like symbols and imagery. That’s what R3 has that R + J doesn’t have.
Vengeant (who wants to put some Nazi-like symbols in a Care Bears movie, as an experiment)
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### Author:  [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)
#### Post date: [March 20, 2003, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ratings-why-is-romeo-and-juliet-pg-13-while-richard-iii-is-r/162629/9 "2003-03-20T08:26:33Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Vengeant \*
> **Nazi-like symbols and imagery. That’s what R3 has that R + J doesn’t have.**
I guess that could move **The Sound of Music** up to an “R” rating. 😉