# Ravenman **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 24, 2008, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776 "2008-01-24T03:37:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/21 "2008-01-24T21:31:22Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Frankly, I don’t remember encountering you much until recently. Maybe I have, but it just didn’t leave an impression. If I have been calling you an idiot hundreds of times in the last several years, then I’m more perceptive than I give myself credit for. I think it’s more likely that you’re full of shit, though. Maybe you’re confusing me with all the other people who have been calling you an idiot over the years. [/QUOTE] He used to post as **grienspace**. Maybe you called him an idiot back then? He certainly provided plenty of opportunities. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/22 "2008-01-24T21:33:47Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] He used to post as **grienspace**. Maybe you called him an idiot back then? He certainly provided plenty of opportunities. [/QUOTE] holy shit. now, **that** name I recall. Ok, it all makes sense now. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/23 "2008-01-24T21:43:23Z")
[QUOTE=wring] holy shit. now, **that** name I recall. Ok, it all makes sense now. [/QUOTE] Oh lord yes. At first I thought Dutchman was just a garden variety idiot. Now I realize I was just being charitable. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/24 "2008-01-24T21:46:36Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] We’re Americans United to Beat the Dutch! [/QUOTE] I’m personally swearing off Hollandaise. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/25 "2008-01-24T21:52:17Z")
Well, you can’t hide your lyonaisse. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/26 "2008-01-24T22:10:46Z")
[QUOTE=wring] holy shit. now, **that** name I recall. Ok, it all makes sense now. [/QUOTE] I hadn’t made that connection either. Same reaction here. New name, same old. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/27 "2008-01-24T22:21:11Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] I hadn’t made that connection either. Same reaction here. New name, same old. [/QUOTE] Now that I’ve had a chance to recover, it’s really comforting news if you think about it. There **is** only one that stubbornly dense. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/28 "2008-01-24T22:43:11Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] He used to post as **grienspace**. Maybe you called him an idiot back then? He certainly provided plenty of opportunities. [/QUOTE] Maybe. I have a vague memory of a poster by that name, but it doesn’t bring anything in particular to mind. Wouldn’t all his previous posts reflect the name change? I actually did a search of my posts and the words “dutchman idiot”, and I got only the one in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/29 "2008-01-24T22:44:26Z")
[QUOTE=wring] Now that I’ve had a chance to recover, it’s really comforting news if you think about it. There **is** only one that stubbornly dense. [/QUOTE] I beg to differ - **grienspace** was more part of the background noise of idiocy, as far as I was concerned; there were always eight or ten total idiots who were successfully crowding him out, from my perspective. He seems to be more successful in drawing attention to himself under the new moniker, though. Maybe it’s because some of his old competition has fortunately abandoned the board in the pay-to-play era. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/30 "2008-01-24T22:44:41Z")
[QUOTE=wring] There **is** only one that stubbornly dense. [/QUOTE] That’s just not true and you know it. I won’t mention any names since this is Ravenman’s pit, but Dutchy hasn’t cornered the market on density… ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/31 "2008-01-24T22:53:15Z")
ok ok, _::kicks dirt::_, sigh, it was a happy little moment. **John** a search of your posts w/“Dutchman idiot” would not return times you (may) have called **Grieny** an idiot (unless, of course, the topic was dutchmen in general) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/32 "2008-01-24T23:10:40Z")
[QUOTE=wring] **John** a search of your posts w/“Dutchman idiot” would not return times you (may) have called **Grieny** an idiot (unless, of course, the topic was dutchmen in general) [/QUOTE] Redid the search with **grienspace** instead of **dutchman** , and came up with nada. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/33 "2008-01-24T23:12:21Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Redid the search with **grienspace** instead of **dutchman** , and came up with nada. [/QUOTE] Are you saying he is not an idiot? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/34 "2008-01-24T23:18:20Z")
[QUOTE=askeptic] Are you saying he is not an idiot? 😛 [/QUOTE] The funny thing is, when I did the search on my posts with just “grienspace” (no “idiot”), I only got two or three hits, and one of them was me complimenting him! I think the other one or two were neutral or the name was in another person’s post who I had been quoting. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/35 "2008-01-24T23:29:34Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] The funny thing is, when I did the search on my posts with just “grienspace” (no “idiot”), I only got two or three hits, and one of them was me complimenting him! I think the other one or two were neutral or the name was in another person’s post who I had been quoting. [/QUOTE] Many years ago - I, too, didn’t remember his name, or remember any particular harsh feelings/negative posts towards him, though he claimed I had. Another poster ( **IzzyR** , no longer a member) was “thoughtful” enough to do searches to demonstrate that yea, we’d bumped heads in a couple of threads. They both seemed to take it as evidence that I was lying about not remembering negative encounters w/him. He’s one of the very few names I **do** currently keep in mind as “oh, yea, he’s an ass, and we’ve spared before”. I don’t (generally) categorize folks that way, it takes quite a bit of effort for me to recall some one negatively. He’s one of the few. the proud, the griens. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/36 "2008-01-24T23:38:06Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] The funny thing is, when I did the search on my posts with just “grienspace” (no “idiot”), I only got two or three hits, and one of them was me complimenting him! I think the other one or two were neutral or the name was in another person’s post who I had been quoting. [/QUOTE] That’s the thing about idiots, they are idiots. I made some unkind remarks to a different one ONCE and he accused me of stalking him and always insulting him. This tendency is part of what makes them idiots, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/37 "2008-01-24T23:39:55Z")
[QUOTE=askeptic] That’s the thing about idiots, they are idiots. I made some unkind remarks to a different one ONCE and he accused me of stalking him and always insulting him. This tendency is part of what makes them idiots, maybe. [/QUOTE] Yeah, that is what I hate about idiots-- they’re such idiots! ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/38 "2008-01-24T23:50:18Z")
[QUOTE=Great Dave] that should read assumptions, btw. as in, things one assumes. [/QUOTE] So, by the context, “assumes” is the verb that means shoving things up one’s ass? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/39 "2008-01-25T00:02:29Z")
This thread triggered an [ancient memory trace](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=319435&highlight=grienspace+doctor+jackmannii) of the only time I have ever been Pitted (well, _almost_ Pitted), by **The Flying Dutchman** posting as **grienspace**. I’m not sure what was more bizarre, my getting into a tiff with **Dr. Deth** over whether you could catch herpes from gym equipment, or **grienspace** taking umbrage over the affair based on a pair of hilarious false assumptions. [QUOTE=elucidator] Well, we all know what Dutch courage is, now, don’t we? And a Dutch uncle is nothing more than a hypercritical asshole, no? Don’t even get me started about Dutch ovens… [/QUOTE] And most importantly there is the Dutch treat - _which is not a treat at all!!_\* \*to give proper credit, this was part of a mock anti-Dutch diatribe that appeared in National Lampoon years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776/40 "2008-01-25T00:06:47Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Well, we all know what Dutch courage is, now, don’t we? And a Dutch uncle is nothing more than a hypercritical asshole, no? Don’t even get me started about Dutch ovens… [/QUOTE] Those Hollanders! They have a plan: They’re going to make us effeminate from sniffing tulips, fat from eating their cheeses, dizzy from looking at windmills, then they’ll come in and dam up and drain the Great Lakes, and we won’t be able to stop them!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ravenman/434776.md?page=3)