# Ray Donovan Season 2 \[spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 28, 2014, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273 "2014-07-28T20:12:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mixolydian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Mixolydian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mixolydian)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/1 "2014-07-28T20:12:06Z")
Certainly not the greatest show on TV, but I’m still watching. Seems to me that they’ve set themselves up to take this show wherever they want on the fly. Are they Donovans going to move to a more upscale neighborhood with annoying neighbors? Maybe/maybe not. Will Ray sleep with the reporter? Probably. To me, Jon Voight is the reason I keep coming back. His overacting is compelling. Ray and Abby’s story? Not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/2 "2014-07-28T20:22:09Z")
> [@Mixolydian](#): > > To me, Jon Voight is the reason I keep coming back. His overacting is compelling. Ray and Abby’s story? Not so much. I watched the first season–mainly for the performances. (In addition to Voight, I like Eddie Marsan, Steven Bauer, and Brooke Smith, among others.) I agree with you in not loving the Ray-and-Abby-marriage-troubles plotline. I have yet to watch the Season 2 episodes shown, so far. I keep making excuses not to watch. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/3 "2014-07-28T21:02:50Z")
> [@Mixolydian](#): > > To me, Jon Voight is the reason I keep coming back. His overacting is compelling. Ray and Abby’s story? Not so much. He’s the reason I quit watching; I can get ham at my local deli. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/4 "2014-07-28T21:22:43Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > He’s the reason I quit watching; I can get ham at my local deli. To be fair, the OP didn’t say Voight’s acting was _good_. (“Overacting” seldom implies approval.^\_^) ---
**Author:** ![Mixolydian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Mixolydian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mixolydian)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/5 "2014-07-28T22:04:20Z")
Not that he’s in a comparable cable series, but I’ll take Voight’s overacting over Al Pacino’s any day of the week. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2014, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/6 "2014-07-28T23:32:01Z")
> [@Mixolydian](#): > > Not that he’s in a comparable cable series, but I’ll take Voight’s overacting over Al Pacino’s any day of the week. Well, there’s that, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Mixolydian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Mixolydian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mixolydian)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/7 "2014-07-29T15:16:20Z")
Hoo ha! I will say I like that Wendell Pierce (The Wire, Treme) has been added to the cast…only good things can come of this. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/8 "2014-07-29T15:24:54Z")
Somebody needs to strangle the wife (Abbie?) so she dies a slow, agonizing death. Is there a more irritating wife character on TV? I like the show. I go back and forth on Jon Voigt, though. Sometimes I hate him, and sometimes I think he’s pretty good. He was quite good in the last episode. Best line of Season 1: \* I’m not the kind of guy you fire.\* I almost wish they wouldn’t do the accents. They actually are pretty good for TV, but they often slip mid sentence and it kind of throws me off. I guess it gives “authenticity”, though. Unless you’re from Boston, you surely wouldn’t notice the slips. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/9 "2014-07-29T15:32:14Z")
Not having caught the show yet, Art Donovan was in my mind causing me to think _what the hell?_ Liev Schreiber, Jon Voight and Steven Bauer… man I got to check this out. ---
**Author:** ![Mixolydian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Mixolydian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mixolydian)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/10 "2014-07-29T18:21:57Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Best line of Season 1: \* I’m not the kind of guy you fire.\* IMHO, Best line of Season 1: \ \*“What did **yoooou** do, Ray? What did **yoooou** do? \*”\ BTW, I think Art Donovan would fit well into this cast. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/11 "2014-08-18T15:06:26Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > He’s the reason I quit watching; I can get ham at my local deli. I’m still watching and like it alot. He’s the reason my wife quit watching though. Sure felt sorry for Bunchy last night. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/12 "2014-08-18T15:24:21Z")
Honestly, I was cringing during the scene involving Bunchy. It could have gone _so_ badly. For those who missed it (although I’ll spoiler-box this for the one person still watching the series who’s interested enough not to want to get spoilered): Bunchy, one of Ray’s brothers, who was molested by a neighborhood priest as a child and is still suffering the effects of the trauma, met, in the previous episode, a young mother and her approximately ten-year-old son at the bicycle shop in which he works. They seemed to hit it off, and in this episode she invited him to her home for dinner. He arrived, expecting the son to be there as well but the son was at a friend’s house for a sleepover. In other words, she arranged for them to be alone. As Bunchy and the wife were getting comfortable, he excused himself and in the bathroom took a Viagra pill. But then the son came home unexpectedly. First, Bunchy was there in the bathroom as the mother started to undress the son to give him a bath (the boy had wet himself at the friend’s house). Later, the three of them settled down to watch TV and the kid rested his head in Bunchy’s lap. Where, presumably, a Viagra-assisted boner was developing. I was afraid that the kid would notice this, and then the boy and mother would assume the wrong thing (that Bunchy was turned on by the kid). ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/13 "2014-08-18T19:35:55Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Honestly, I was cringing during the scene involving Bunchy. It could have gone _so_ badly. For those who missed it (although I’ll spoiler-box this for the one person still watching the series who’s interested enough not to want to get spoilered): > > Bunchy, one of Ray’s brothers, who was molested by a neighborhood priest as a child and is still suffering the effects of the trauma, met, in the previous episode, a young mother and her approximately ten-year-old son at the bicycle shop in which he works. They seemed to hit it off, and in this episode she invited him to her home for dinner. He arrived, expecting the son to be there as well but the son was at a friend’s house for a sleepover. In other words, she arranged for them to be alone. As Bunchy and the wife were getting comfortable, he excused himself and in the bathroom took a Viagra pill. But then the son came home unexpectedly. First, Bunchy was there in the bathroom as the mother started to undress the son to give him a bath (the boy had wet himself at the friend’s house). Later, the three of them settled down to watch TV and the kid rested his head in Bunchy’s lap. Where, presumably, a Viagra-assisted boner was developing. I was afraid that the kid would notice this, and then the boy and mother would assume the wrong thing (that Bunchy was turned on by the kid). I had the impression that Bunchy is worried about his reactions even in the absence of the, er, medication. (And that this is the reason for the storyline involving the mother-and-son–Bunchy is dealing with fears about his own nature and/or the effect his childhood experience may have had on him.) Or perhaps I’m misreading it. ---
**Author:** ![Mixolydian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Mixolydian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mixolydian)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/14 "2014-08-18T20:02:45Z")
Well, leaving the Bunchy story open-ended makes me think it’ll be a non-event. The character’s been through enough; it’d be nice to see him have some sort of normal relationship. Did Sherilyn Fenn actually gain weight for this role, or has she just let herself go? I keep waiting for Shorty to blow himself and Mickey up by smoking a joint around an oxygen tank. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/15 "2014-08-20T00:00:05Z")
It’s no Breaking Bad, for sure, but even with all its flaws Ray Donovan is possibly my favorite show on television right now. Agreed that the wife is annoying as hell. I like to imagine that she’s a time-traveling Trixie from Deadwood who landed in Boston 16 years ago and has been trying to blend in ever since. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/16 "2014-08-25T14:10:14Z")
What a family! ! I did like the way Ray let loose art the end though! ---
**Author:** ![LVBoPeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/858c86/32.png) [@LVBoPeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LVBoPeep)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/17 "2014-08-25T15:29:53Z")
That was an intense episode… glad to see Silence of the Lambs girl stand up for Terry and tell Ray he’s an asshole though it should be obvious to everyone that Ray was blind-drunk at that point. And- I agree Abby is an annoying character who doesn’t know what she wants. I wish she was more Trixie-like and could call Ray out on his bullshit and cheating. I don’t think Connor will try to get the whole family back together again… ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/18 "2014-08-25T15:55:15Z")
I knew there would be a problem with the cake when the mother just told the kid in the bakery her son’s name. His name is spelled Conor, but most people hearing that name are going to assume Connor or Conner. And why couldn’t she just go to the supermarket for a cake? They usually have ready-made sheet cakes that can be personalized on demand. ---
**Author:** ![Mixolydian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Mixolydian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mixolydian)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/19 "2014-08-25T16:00:58Z")
What a shindig, huh? Should have, but did not see Daryl’s meltdown coming. Fun day for Ray. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > And why couldn’t she just go to the supermarket for a cake? They usually have ready-made sheet cakes that can be personalized on demand. I think Abby was trying to compensate for feeling guilty about forgetting Conor’s birthday by going to the best cake shop in town. ---
**Author:** ![Mixolydian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Mixolydian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mixolydian)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2014, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273/20 "2014-08-25T16:09:01Z")
Wanted to add…the “blackout drunk” camera effect used when Bridget told Ray what time Abby came home was very reminiscent of a similar famous scene from Mean Streets when Harvey Keitel’s character gets shitfaced and hits the floor. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-donovan-season-2-spoilers/694273.md?page=2)