# Ray Rice goes Tubthumping. **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 23, 2014, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126 "2014-05-23T21:03:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/41 "2014-09-08T18:06:11Z")
Now King has [clarified](http://mmqb.si.com/2014/09/08/ray-rice-nfl-domestic-violence-video-peter-king/) that when he wrote that the league had seen the tape, that was based on a source he trusted saying _they assumed_ the league had seen it. So not only did he not get this from the NFL, the source he _did_ get it from didn’t even present it to him as a fact. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/42 "2014-09-08T18:07:31Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > That’s how MOST women would respond to battery. The available evidence would seem to suggest that this statement is, unfortunately, incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![Gordon\_Urquhart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/db5fbb/32.png) [@Gordon\_Urquhart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gordon_Urquhart)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/43 "2014-09-08T18:11:31Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I didn’t watch a single game this weekend. I dropped out of all my fantasy leagues before the start of the season. I miss football, but the NFL will need to reform itself considerably to regain my support. Yeah, \*\*mhendo \*\*-- I read your posts (and **Marley23’s** ) upthread the days you wrote them, and considered writing that I likewise was about done with the NFL. That was before the footage of Lewis actually knocking his fiance unconscious was released. Enough. I’m out, too (and I know I should have made that decision before I actually saw a woman get punched out by an NFL player). It’ll have exactly zero effect, but I do plan to write a letter to Goodell about it, and I’ll cc the PR departments of every corporate sponsor from whom I saw advertisements yesterday (and there are puh-lenty). ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/44 "2014-09-08T18:20:46Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > Everyone see the prequel that came out yesterday? > > [Ray Rice -- ELEVATOR KNOCKOUT ... Fiancee Takes Crushing Punch (Video)](http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/08/ray-rice-elevator-knockout-fiancee-takes-crushing-punch-video/) Wow. That’s why we’ll never see MMA coed matches. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/45 "2014-09-08T18:24:55Z")
He’s cut: [https://twitter.com/Ravens](https://twitter.com/Ravens) ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/46 "2014-09-08T18:28:27Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > He’s cut: > > [x.com](https://twitter.com/Ravens) Yeah, got an update on my phone about that. I can’t decide whether I’m shocked or not. The Ravens would take tons of heat if they kept him, though, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/47 "2014-09-08T18:29:30Z")
> [@drm](#): > > Yeah, got an update on my phone about that. I can’t decide whether I’m shocked or not. The Ravens would take tons of heat if they kept him, though, that’s for sure. And now they probably expect people to believe that today was the first time they saw the video of the punch. Edit: And if [url=]this story is to be believed, Rice lost the support of his own team-mates today as well: > [@](#): > > I can tell you this: I had a brief text conversation with a Ravens player I’ve known for some time who told me that the locker room stood by Rice before. Now? > > “I don’t think he has very much support now at all,” the player texted. “I think it’s gone.” > > The player added that one reason the locker room stood behind Rice was that Rice gave them the impression that he was defending himself from her (as ridiculous as the notion is of a weaponless, petite woman being a threat to a pro athlete). The video, the player said, betrays what Rice told players. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/48 "2014-09-08T18:38:38Z")
Hearing now that the Ravens have terminated his contract. Good riddance to bad rubbish. ---
**Author:** ![Randy\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ee7513/32.png) [@Randy\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randy_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/49 "2014-09-08T18:43:24Z")
ETA: Ninja’d ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/50 "2014-09-08T18:58:06Z")
Also suspended from the league indefinitely. ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/51 "2014-09-08T19:03:28Z")
Geez. I have to admit the video is worse than I expected. I incorrectly assumed there were some mitigating circumstances and that was very, very wrong. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/52 "2014-09-08T19:14:39Z")
The girl apologizing during the press conference for “the part she played in the attack” looks so bad now. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/53 "2014-09-08T19:17:18Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Also suspended from the league indefinitely. This was absolutely the right thing to do, even if it came far too late. But am i the only one who would have been curious to see whether another team would have picked him up? It seems that this has blown up so badly that no team would have been willing to touch him with a 40-foot pole, but then again, you never know. It is the NFL, after all. A commenter on Deadspin asked, “How long before Jerry Jones is on the phone?” 😃 > [@DigitalC](#): > > The girl apologizing during the press conference for “the part she played in the attack” looks so bad now. Yeah, that was the first thing i thought when i saw the video: “She actually apologized for her role in this incident?” ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/54 "2014-09-08T19:18:09Z")
Is he in jail? And if so, why he hell not? I don’t follow football but I saw that report on my Facebook feed. Hours later I still feel my eyeballs widen in horror at it. ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/55 "2014-09-08T19:21:34Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > And now they probably expect people to believe that today was the first time they saw the video of the punch. The self righteousness/hypocracy in these situations is a little nauseating, for sure. (Oakley/Trek in the Lance Armstrong Saga and then the NBA in the Sterling saga) ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/56 "2014-09-08T19:22:14Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Is he in jail? And if so, why he hell not? I don’t follow football but I saw that report on my Facebook feed. Hours later I still feel my eyeballs widen in horror at it. He was allowed to enter a first-offenders diversion program requiring counseling. It’s worth noting, too, that the victim refused to testify against him, which can make a conviction in a domestic abuse case very difficult, although i’m not sure if the presence of such damning video evidence could still be used in the absence of the victim’s testimony. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/57 "2014-09-08T19:23:19Z")
> [@Gordon\_Urquhart](#): > > And now King says that [the NFL (says that it) didn’t actually see the tape](http://mmqb.si.com/2014/09/08/ray-rice-nfl-domestic-violence-video-peter-king/). King notes, significantly, that no one from the NFL ever disputed his reporting that the league had seen the footage. > > This is getting stinkier and stinkier: the league’s mouthpiece’s, like King and Adam Schefter, cannot be pleased about what this has done to their (perceived) journalistic reputation, and the NFL/Goodell/Ravens/Rice have got to be reeling. Although the new video evidence is awful, what exactly does it show us that we didn’t already know? Did somebody think that she fainted spontaneously? Of course he knocked her out. We already knew that; we just now have video of it. ---
**Author:** ![Haunted\_Pasta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/94ad74/32.png) [@Haunted\_Pasta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haunted_Pasta)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/58 "2014-09-08T19:26:16Z")
Never mind- someone got to it first. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/59 "2014-09-08T19:31:08Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Although the new video evidence is awful, what exactly does it show us that we didn’t already know? Did somebody think that she fainted spontaneously? Of course he knocked her out. We already knew that; we just now have video of it. They could have been horsing around, both a bit tipsy, and in a comedy of errors he accidentally clipped her with his elbow. Video proves otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126/60 "2014-09-08T19:32:33Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Although the new video evidence is awful, what exactly does it show us that we didn’t already know? Did somebody think that she fainted spontaneously? Of course he knocked her out. We already knew that; we just now have video of it. For me, the video pretty much confirms what i already suspected. It’s amazing how many people, though, were arguing that she must have done something really bad to provoke it. This wasn’t helped by the awful press conference that inspired this thread, where she took much of the blame upon herself, suggesting that she might have done something to justify the knockout blow. Some people on the internet even speculated, based on this, that she must have been attacking him furiously, and he simply did his best to defend himself. I hope those people are ashamed of themselves now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ray-rice-goes-tubthumping/689126.md?page=4)