# Raya and the Last Dragon **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [March 6, 2021, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348 "2021-03-06T19:31:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/1 "2021-03-06T19:31:50Z")
It wasn’t _bad_, but I didn’t think that it was Disney “A” game. More like something from Dreamworks or even one of the European CGI studios. ---
**Author:** ![Bumbazine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bumbazine/32/362_2.png) [@Bumbazine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bumbazine)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/2 "2021-03-06T20:24:49Z")
I clicked on it on our Roku TV and they want ~$30 to stream it! Not gonna happen. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/3 "2021-03-06T21:07:19Z")
> [@Bumbazine](#): > > I clicked on it on our Roku TV and they want ~$30 to stream it! They’re positioning it as an alternative to seeing it in the movie theater, where it’s currently a new release. For a family of four and depending on local ticket prices, 30 bucks is anywhere from pretty reasonable to an outright steal. The snacks will certainly be cheaper. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/4 "2021-03-06T23:39:42Z")
There is this: > **[Here's How You Can Watch Raya And The Last Dragon For Half The Price -...](https://fandomwire.com/heres-how-you-can-watch-raya-and-the-last-dragon-for-half-the-price/)** > > You have to shell out $29.99 to watch the movie on the Disney+ platform. This option allows you to watch the movie in nearly half the Disney+ price!!! ---
**Author:** ![Bumbazine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bumbazine/32/362_2.png) [@Bumbazine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bumbazine)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/5 "2021-03-06T23:39:42Z")
That works if you’re a family of four, but two old cheapskates, not so much. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2021, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/6 "2021-03-07T17:20:35Z")
Amen. Plus for a spectacular movie there’s still nothing like a real theater as opposed to the at-home experience. To help fill the screens while Hollywood revs back up, the local multiplex has been running some of movies past at $5 a ticket. Last week they ran LOTR, all three of them. It brought back memories of seeing them for the first time twenty years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2021, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/7 "2021-03-07T19:13:26Z")
On June 4, the Raya movie will conclude its “virtual wide release” period on Disney+, and after that you can watch it on Disney+ at no extra charge, along with the rest of the regular Disney+ content. ---
**Author:** ![MacSpon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/34f0e0/32.png) [@MacSpon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacSpon)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/8 "2021-03-07T22:26:00Z")
Hint: Don’t pay for the premium early release on June 3rd. ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/9 "2021-03-08T01:20:42Z")
I’m confused at people who are trying to make this the next “Coco” in terms of being “inspirational to Southeast Asians” when Coco was very much focused on Mexican culture, when this seems very generic Asian culture. [This article has the quote](https://www.theverge.com/22315306/disney-raya-and-the-last-dragon-southeast-asian-media) > In a teaser that almost made me cry (and I’m not a cryer), Raya wields what look like bamboo [Arnis sticks]— weapons used in Filipino martial arts. Her [sword] is reminiscent of the Indonesian kris. The epic combat scenes in the film also draw from [fighting styles] from [Thailand, Malaysia,][Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam]. I can’t speak for Asian cultures, but I’m Mexican-American and if I was watching Coco and suddenly a bunch of Brazilian cultural references popped up I’d be more confused than inspired. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/10 "2021-03-08T01:44:08Z")
The movie has one of those (complained about in a different thread recently) travel around gathering artifacts to complete a quest video game plots. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/11 "2021-06-07T18:55:05Z")
Now that _Raya and the Last Dragon_ is on regular Disney+, I watched it this weekend. I think I liked it more than @Darren_Garrison did, but, yeah, I didn’t think it was a top tier Disney film. I thought it was good, but honestly, kind of forgettable. > [@Asuka](#): > > I’m confused at people who are trying to make this the next “Coco” in terms of being “inspirational to Southeast Asians” when Coco was very much focused on Mexican culture, when this seems very generic Asian culture. [This article has the quote](https://www.theverge.com/22315306/disney-raya-and-the-last-dragon-southeast-asian-media) > > > In a teaser that almost made me cry (and I’m not a cryer), Raya wields what look like bamboo [Arnis sticks]— weapons used in Filipino martial arts. Her [sword] is reminiscent of the Indonesian kris. The epic combat scenes in the film also draw from [fighting styles] from [Thailand, Malaysia,][Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam]. > > I can’t speak for Asian cultures, but I’m Mexican-American and if I was watching Coco and suddenly a bunch of Brazilian cultural references popped up I’d be more confused than inspired. I think the equivalent is more like a film inspired by Latin American culture that _didn’t_ include references to Mexico and Brazil, but instead included distinctive elements of the cultures of Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Belize, Nicaragua, and Belize. “Asian” culture in the U.S. largely means China and Japan, and limited slices of those. Maybe South Korea as well. But if you’re Vietnamese, likely the only representation of your culture you’re going to see in a U.S. movie or TV show is as bad guys or _maybe_ innocent victims in the Vietnam war. What you’re not going to see is a Vietnamese _hero_. And other Southeast Asian cultures are even less represented. _Raya and the Last Dragon_ took inspiration from several cultures that rarely if ever get any representation at all in U.S. entertainment - or even a lot of Asian entertainment, for that matter. And not just cultural elements, but the heroes of the story. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/12 "2021-06-11T19:12:02Z")
Also just saw it. It was fine. Embarrassed that I didn’t pick up on the collecting not only a stone fragment from each region but a person with mutual trust developed each time until very late in the game. Coco was a celebration of Mexican culture and mythology. This was a fantasy land with apolitical shout outs to real world Asian cultures with international marketing considerations in mind. And even there I think they ran a risk that Chinese governmental powers would interpret Disney implying that they are Fang on their side of the water. Of course it could also get spun as trust for unification as well. Hard to stay apolitical. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2021, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/13 "2021-06-11T19:47:57Z")
I also saw it on Disney+ and here was the review I posted to Letterboxd. ★★★★ out of ★★★★★ Gist: Not in the top tier of animated movies, but very charming and worth your time This movie was absolutely gorgeous, a truly great achievement in animation. I just wish that it had a script that could live up to the amazing artistic work shown in its making, but alas, it is only and OK story. It isn’t bad, but the emotional beats of the story just do not resonate as deeply as the movie hopes for. A nice story, but not one that will make an impact on me that lasts. However, in its final 30 minutes, the story starts to come together and I left the movie feeling more moved than I expected up until that point. Pros - Again, a very beautiful and amazingly well animated movie. - Sisu is a great character and very well voiced - James Newton Howard wrote some great music - The final 30 minutes were so great, they elevated the movie quite a bit Cons - Raya is fairly generic as a character - The opening hour is nice, but not particularly impactful story-wise I’d recommend this movie to anyone who really likes animated movies. It is not a major misfire by Disney, but it can’t get itself up into the top tier level of animated movies. Worth a watch, but I doubt it will be on many favorite-lists. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/14 "2021-06-12T00:26:21Z")
I just saw it and am gonna rant here so I don’t harsh my family’s buzz, cuz they all (I think) loved it. Seeing some less-represented (by Disney) Asian cultures get represented? Cool. Mad Max: Roly Poly Road? I liked that. And I can’t think of a third good thing. -The dad dies early on. The mom, was she even mentioned? If so, barely an afterthought. Super cliche. -Seriously, a magical artifact broken and scattered that has to be gathered bit by bit in order to save the land? I played Zelda in 198something, don’t need a movie of that plot, come on. -Tuktuk was fine for cutesy humor relief. Making the dragon also be cutesy humor relief _really_ didn’t work for me. Adding a toddler and monkeys? Cutesy overload, and this was the point I realized this movie wasn’t aimed at me. -With that hairdo, I kept expecting the Fang leader to ask to speak to the manager. I dunno, maybe that’s a traditional Filipino 'do and I’m being dumb, but it looked like a super specific trendy 2020 style and really took me out of the movie more than anything in any fantasy movie has since the synth chords in _Ladyhawke_. -Worst of all, though, was the moral: _trust people even when they don’t deserve it_. When you make yourself vulnerable to someone and they violently betray your trust? You’re a bad person if you don’t give them a second chance. When they violently betray your trust again _and then blame you for what happens_? If you don’t give them a third chance, literally the world will end. I hate hate hate that moral. -Besides which I didn’t like the art direction for the dragons at all. They weren’t majestic or mystical or regal, they were My Little Pony. But that might just get back to the movie not being for me. -Which brings us back to the moral. Wanna know who I super don’t want getting the moral of “trust people who abuse you”? Young girls. Gah. Did Not Like. ---
**Author:** ![Rata\_Sum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a698b9/32.png) [@Rata\_Sum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rata_Sum)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/15 "2021-06-12T00:44:57Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > -Which brings us back to the moral. Wanna know who I super don’t want getting the moral of “trust people who abuse you”? Young girls. Hmmm, I was excited about this movie up to this point, (I even like the My Little Pony look of the dragon.) Is this message “heavy” or something maybe younger ones might not pick up on too much? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/16 "2021-06-12T01:26:34Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > _Raya and the Last Dragon_ took inspiration from several cultures that rarely if ever get any representation at all in U.S. entertainment Same with _Moana_. Polynesia is made up of a bunch of tiny countries that have similar, but different, languages and traditions, and stretches across an entire ocean from Hawaii to Samoa to Fiji to Aotearoa/New Zealand and everything in between, but that didn’t mean anyone felt left out or unacknowledged in the story, as Maui is a common mythological figure to all of them. _Raya and the Last Dragon_ is the same for a range of SE Asian cultures; picking out bits and pieces, and crafting an original story that can touch on multiple cultural features. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/17 "2021-06-12T02:13:12Z")
The message is not to trust an abuser. It is a bit trite and naive but it is not that, not to my experience of it. It is that _distrust_, tribalism, and hyperpatisanship, destroys the world, leads to our stabbing each in the back, that trust is risk, one that can get you hurt and does, but ultimately the risk is better than the alternative. For kids watching? Living in today’s world, watching adults living in their camps convinced that their fellow citizens are evil demon threats to all they hold dear? A reasonable Disney moral of the story and counterweight to ugly reality. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/18 "2021-06-12T02:17:48Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > The message is not to trust an abuser. The broader message, as you say, is that tribalism is bad. But the specifics of the story involve someone not trusting a person who got her father killed, and then giving that person a second chance. When she gave that person a second chance, they got her best friend killed. And then the world was only saved because she gave them a third chance, after they blamed her for her best friend’s death. The way the general message was made was just awful. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/19 "2021-06-12T02:46:43Z")
One. Father was not killed. Stonified and able to be recovered. Clearly not what was wanted to happen. Two. Seriously what gave Heart the right to hold and “protect” the gem from everyone else? What made it _theirs_? Fang and the others thinking that being holder of the gem helped Heart, not trusting Heart any more than Heart trusted them? Rational and justified. The movie starts with how they warred over the gem in the aftermath. It skips over how Heart prevailed to hold the gem alone. They didn’t win a vote pretty sure. Heart who just happens to be prosperous while the daughter of Fang’s leader is awed to be eating a bowl of rice. Three. _Raya_ killed Sisu. The trigger was not actually pulled by Namaari until Raya threw her sword and set it off. Raya realized that _was_ the case when Namaari was on the ground which is why she spared Namaari’s life. Not saying it was done well. It was not. And again: kid story naive. But no Namaari was not an abuser. She was loyal to her mother and tribe (Fang first!) and had no reason to trust Heart or Raya. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raya-and-the-last-dragon/937348/20 "2021-06-12T13:57:52Z")
Yeah, not getting into a back-and-forth on this.