# Re Cosby horribleness - What were these unknown models expectations in dinners/dates w/ Cosby? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 24, 2015, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049 "2015-07-24T13:32:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/21 "2015-07-25T12:39:44Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > :rolleyes: > I have followed the coverage. I asked what evidence is there that he actually went out and drugged women against their will, as in spiked their drink with a roofie for instance, rather then him saying as[Bricker points out in this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18496255&postcount=2) saying “Hey baby, I got these 'ludes. How about we take them and then have sex?” (which IIRC he has admitted that he has done) or the predators old reliable; alcohol and time? > [@](#): > > In the recently released Constand deposition, Cosby describes an incident in Las Vegas in which he gave quaaludes to a woman and then had sex with her. When Constand’s lawyer asked Cosby if he believed the woman was “not in the position to consent to intercourse after you gave her the drug,” Cosby replied, “I don’t know.” > **[Bill Cosby Clearly Doesn't Understand Consent - Ms. Magazine](http://msmagazine.com/2015/07/21/bill-cosby-clearly-doesnt-understand-consent/)** > > This past weekend, a 10-year old deposition offered stunning new revelations about Bill Cosby’s sexual encounters from the 1970s onward. Obtained by The New York Times, the document is part of a civil suit ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/22 "2015-07-25T12:45:08Z")
Several of his victims reported being offered something for a headache, or for nerves. If someone offers you an aspirin and gives you qualudes, they comit a crime, I’m pretty sure. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/23 "2015-07-25T14:39:52Z")
I’m sure it was along the lines of: “OMG, they want me to have dinner with Bill Cosby… …that’s kind of weird, but it’ll be a good story.” …is this my big chance? Maybe I’ll get discovered!" …does he want something more? I’ll have to be careful." …does he want something more? That’ll be a good story!" …YOLO!" ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/24 "2015-07-25T14:48:59Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > I asked what evidence is there that he actually went out and drugged women against their will What kind of evidence are you seeking that is lacking? ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/25 "2015-07-25T14:59:57Z")
Even if they were open to a little casting couch auditioning, doesn’t mean they were expecting try-outs to start on first date. And I’m guessing that even if someone who is open to sex, they still want to be fully conscious while having it. Besides the obvious reason, that person may just want to slip into the restroom beforehand and get her contraception in place. Not only does she not get a chance to enjoy herself when she’s been drugged, but she’s robbed of the chance to protect herself from unwanted ramifications. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/26 "2015-07-25T15:07:24Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > :rolleyes: > I have followed the coverage. I asked what evidence is there that he actually went out and drugged women against their will, as in spiked their drink with a roofie for instance, rather then him saying as[Bricker points out in this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18496255&postcount=2) saying “Hey baby, I got these 'ludes. How about we take them and then have sex?” (which IIRC he has admitted that he has done) or the predators old reliable; alcohol and time? So if he admits to offering party favors that’s accurate but[a detailed account of him slipping something in someone’s drink](http://www.vanityfair.com/unchanged/2014/12/bill-cosby-beverly-johnson-story), well that can be dismissed out of hand. 36 times. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/27 "2015-07-25T15:10:07Z")
And since you snipped this when you replied, any chance you care to comment on this part of my post? > [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > After reading the article linked in the OP I don’t know what “authority” he had over the young woman (Jennifer Thompson), beyond being the star of the most popular television show of the moment and her being a young, naive, aspiring actress. I think a 50ish celebrity of his stature pressuring a teenage girl to have sex with him is engaging in the sort of behavior that would be expected from a sexual predator. An adult male pressuring a teenage girl to have sex with him is vile, right? Or do you have an explanation for why that would be okay? ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/28 "2015-07-25T15:19:30Z")
> [@astro](#): > > I’m familiar with the notion of a [casting couch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casting_couch) the oddness here (to me) is that these are not starlets competing for an actual available position then being pressured for sex, these are quite young models told that they are being picked (by the modeling agency) to have a one on one intimate dinner behind closed doors in a dressing room with a middle aged celebrity who has no notion of their work or skills and who is not offering a modeling job …he just wants to meet them… and feed them dinner. > > Maybe it’s the best shot they will ever get at the brass ring, but I am interested in what would be in their heads re how this is going to go down as they go to these dinner meetings. I have no way of knowing what was going through these women’s heads, but in the 1980s and really until the sexual assault allegations came to light then I think many people’s image of Bill Cosby was that he was basically a real-life Cliff Huxtable. A funny, warm-hearted family man who might have his foibles but would never do anything truly bad. Even a very naive young model who was new to the big city probably wouldn’t have believed that, say, Hugh Hefner just wanted to buy her dinner and give her some fatherly advice, but I think it’s plausible that she might have believed this of Bill Cosby. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/29 "2015-07-25T15:29:52Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > So if he admits to offering party favors that’s accurate but[a detailed account of him slipping something in someone’s drink](http://www.vanityfair.com/unchanged/2014/12/bill-cosby-beverly-johnson-story), well that can be dismissed out of hand. > > 36 times. We had a [thread on that article](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=747364). Generally speaking drugs do not work the way that is claimed by the writer of the article. As for authority over, I mean that if he had sex with someone whose career and prospects he could cause adverse or beneficial consequences to. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/30 "2015-07-25T15:39:24Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > As for authority over, I mean that if he had sex with someone whose career and prospects he could cause adverse or beneficial consequences to. It’s rather well known that powerful and rich people in Hollywood can and do exercise their power to cause adverse or beneficial consequences to the careers of less powerful people. Clint Eastwood ruined Sondra Locke’s career after their relationship went sour. Alfred Hitchcock ruined Tippi Hedren’s career when she refused to submit to his sexual advances. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/31 "2015-07-25T16:02:54Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > We had a [thread on that article](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=747364). Generally speaking drugs do not work the way that is claimed by the writer of the article. > > As for authority over, I mean that if he had sex with someone whose career and prospects he could cause adverse or beneficial consequences to. And yet you have no comment on an adult male pressuring a teenage girl for sex? Or is that something to be dismissed as well? Considering the stature Cosby enjoyed in the industry at the time it’s very likely he could cause adverse or beneficial consequences to the career of someone who turned him down. So by your definition that would suggest he was in a position of authority from the perspective of the teenage girl he was pressuring for sex. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/32 "2015-07-25T16:07:50Z")
I must have missed the part where it is said that the victims were minors and or below the age of consent. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/33 "2015-07-25T17:17:24Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > I must have missed the part where it is said that the victims were minors and or below the age of consent. Yeah, you would have had take the time to read the article linked in the OP to know that. Or notice where I mentioned the young woman by name in post #18. > [@](#): > > Jennifer Thompson, a 17-year-old actress who wanted to move from Maryland to New York, was one of the women who accepted Cosby’s offer. > > * * * > > Eventually, she said, Cosby pressured her for sex at his home, and she reluctantly gave him a handjob. She said he gave her $700 before she left. He responded in the deposition that any touching he’d done had been consensual. Oh, _ **he** _ said it was consensual. I guess that means it’s okay **even if the person giving the hand job is under the age of consent.** A hand job Cosby admitted to, BTW. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/34 "2015-07-25T17:39:26Z")
What is the age of consent in New York? Its [17 per wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#New_York). What was it at the time? So she was not under the age of consent. And it was still skeevy. [QUOTE=Kolak of Twilo] oh, he said it was consensual. I guess that means it’s okay even if the person giving the hand job is under the age of consent. A hand job Cosby admitted to, BTW. [/QUOTE] Where the fuck did I say that it was ok? ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/35 "2015-07-25T21:27:11Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > What is the age of consent in New York? Its [17 per wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#New_York). What was it at the time? > > So she was not under the age of consent. And it was still skeevy. [This chart from 2011](https://globaljusticeinitiative.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/united-states-age-of-consent-table11.pdf) seems to indicate since Cosby was over 21 then she was under the age of consent. There seems to be a 4 year age differential in effect. I found a few references that give the impression prior to 1999 18 was the age of consent across the board in New York but there is some ambiguity. Still the 4 year age difference seems to have been in effect. > [@AK84](#): > > Where the fuck did I say that it was ok? My apologies for implying you thought it was ok. I did take your comments to be pretty much dismissive of Cosby’s accusers. If that is inaccurate you have my apologies for that as well. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/36 "2015-07-25T22:00:09Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > They expected a free meal, making friends with a rich and powerful man who could advance their career, and a request for sex that they could say no to. This is the crux of it. I don’t think any woman, young or old, would be SURPRISED at an inappropriate sexual come-on in that situation. But she would appropriately expect that saying NO would be an option. When you drug someone into insensibility, NO is no longer an option. No one in full possession of their (her) faculties consents to being rendered semi-conscious before sex with a stranger. There is NO defense for Bill Cosby. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/37 "2015-07-25T22:33:03Z")
$700 for a _handjob?_ :eek: Goddamn, Bill! I don’t care how fucking rich you are, that’s just _financially irresponsible!_ ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2015, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/38 "2015-07-25T23:13:30Z")
In these situations is the model selected to attend this “meeting-dinner” paid for her time as if in a modeling session or photo shoot, or is this considered a non-paid talent “interview” type thing where he could tell you to go home if he did not like your looks or your attitude and he owed you nothing? How does that work? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2015, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/39 "2015-07-26T03:17:53Z")
Even if they willingly took the drugs, the state they would be in afterwards would be rather intoxicated, and would likely still make it rape. If you read the deposition, it reads almost entirely like someone who is admitting as much as he can for evidence sake, but avoiding saying it was non-consensual. There’s no reason he should be able to say “I don’t know” about being in condition to consent. Plus there’s the fact he admitted that the he got the quaaludes from someone who knew they were not for him. So he wasn’t taking them. He was lucid, they were not. That is really unusual in a “let’s do drugs to make sex better” situation. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2015, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049/40 "2015-07-26T04:04:48Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Even if “modeling agency” isn’t simply a euphemism for escort service, I’m betting the drugging wasn’t expected. Ha! He had to promise drugs just to be able to tell them the address. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-cosby-horribleness-what-were-these-unknown-models-expectations-in-dinners-dates-w-cosby/726049.md?page=3)