What you just said was “Producers don’t matter…it’s all…producers…”
They’re letting directors with proven commercial appeal take characters without allowing them to take chances with them. I can’t see them giving someone as unproven as Jon Favreau was a free hand with Batman or Superman, to the degree that he had one with Iron Man.
If Wonder Woman and Joss Whedon aren’t an obvious pairing, what director and character are? In the end, chickenshit impulses triumphed over the kind that make good, profitable films. Warner’s has no faith at all in the Wonder Woman character and keep it around only for product licensing purposes.
You’re talking about powers and supporting casts. Marvel could probably make the lamest version of Superman work. That’s how hot they are right now. Those Marvel producers excel at getting the best, most talented people together for a movie – not sitting around a boardroom deciding pre or post crisis nitpickery (yes, I know Crisis is DC).
You know…I don’t know what people have against Superman-Blue. It was obviously going to be temporary, it was a homage to a classic story and Morrison (like any good writer) made it sit up and beg for him in his JLA stories.
Re: and “Nitpickery” Marvel movies don’t, but the comics sure do to shoehorn whatever change the movies may have made.
About the only thing I have to say re: the superhero film as birthed by DC Comics:
I am sick of Batman and Superman. Got anything else?
Whedon would cast a 5’4" actress weighing at most 98 lbs. soaking wet at Wonder Woman and we’d get more ‘waif-fu’. 
So very true.
I must be the only person on Earth who liked the latest Superman movie.
One thing Marvel’s got going for it though is they’re moving beyond simply retelling the same damn origin story over and over and over. There are thousands of superhero stories to tell other than the same damn origin stories again.
Nope, I liked it a lot. I can’t say I loved it, because the 2nd half had a few problems. But I liked it enough that I’m excited by the sequel.
I personally prefer the ‘serious sci fi’ approach as opposed to the quippy, jokey one.
No, not really. You do remember that Whedon gave Gina Torres her highest-profile role to date, right? Not to mention Charisma Carpenter, Christina Hendricks, Cobie Smulders…
Whedon may like his superpowered waifs, but he also has a pretty fantastic eye for appropriate casting.
That’s not what drastic_quench is saying at all. You were saying that DC’s problem was with their characters, and how well they can be translated to the big screen. drastic_quench’s point (and he’s 100% correct on this) is that a good filmmaker who understands the spirit of the source material but isn’t beholden to it can make a good movie out of, well, pretty much anything. But certainly out of any reasonably successful character from another medium oriented around visual storytelling.
These things are not mutually exclusive. Thematically, “Avengers” is far more “serious” than “Man of Steel” was… despite the quips and jokes.
God, I hate waif-fu. Ever see Centurion? They ask us to buy a 90lb supermodel with a spear can Darth Maul her way through a Roman legion.
I think I meant ‘serious’ sci fi rather than ‘serious sci fi’. In other words, I don’t like the quips and jokes.
Except that’s not all I said.
Yeah, it’s not perfect and the way they handled Clark’s dad was eye-rolley, but then again Jon Favreau’s comedic relief in Iron Man makes me hit the FF button too.
“Here ya go! Green Lantern! He’s got a rich history, we should be able to spawn a whole franchise based on Hal, not to mention all the other Lanterns. Wait, what? No one liked that movie? Back to more Bats and Supes, I guess…”
The sucky thing about that is they blame the characters rather than the films being bad. No one liked Superman Returns, but they were right back in there taking another swing, and this was an attempt to follow-on the last run when the last time we saw the guy was the infamous “Quest For Peace.” The last of the Batman franchise pre-Nolan was the object of ridicule, too, but off they went. But the rest of the League? One and dones.
Marvel’s the same, somewhat: Spidey’s gotten two more movies made since he jazz-danced in Spidey 3. But they made a Ghost Rider sequel too, so I’d think Green Lantern would have gotten a second shot from them.
GL is DC.
Incidentally, I was wrong about Ghost Rider.
No, you were right. Marvel just recently got those rights back. The movies were made under Sony.
I was wrong about being wrong?
That’s the best kind of wrong!