# Re: Der Trihs in the GWB 9/11 thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 3, 2011, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370 "2011-08-03T20:47:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/21 "2011-08-04T10:58:29Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I find it helps if you keep in mind the image of a fully grown man who, quite early on, solidified a worldview based on the comic books he used as a substitute for social interaction, in which the “bad guys” are 100% evil merely for the sake of being evil. Who may well be physically repulsive, who likely has never been laid, and whose prospects for future sexual release (outside the company of his own fist and a partition full of Hentai) can charitably be termed grim. Who is very, _very_ bitter about that fact, and attempts to sublimate his unfulfilled adolescent longing with crudely drawn fantasies of an unjust world overrun by cackling sadists and black-hearted succubi who desire nothing more than to oppress his sad, delicate, and unattended manhood. > > I hear he’s a lot of fun in Cafe Society threads, though. 😃 That’s so pathetically hilarious. I find it laughable but so darn plausible. It conjures up images of Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons. And I’ve seen people like that! ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/22 "2011-08-04T11:02:18Z")
It’s **Der Trihs**. ---
**Author:** ![PoorYorick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecccb3/32.png) [@PoorYorick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PoorYorick)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/23 "2011-08-04T11:22:20Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I find it helps if you keep in mind the image of a fully grown man who, quite early on, solidified a worldview based on the comic books he used as a substitute for social interaction, in which the “bad guys” are 100% evil merely for the sake of being evil. Who may well be physically repulsive, who likely has never been laid, and whose prospects for future sexual release (outside the company of his own fist and a partition full of Hentai) can charitably be termed grim. Who is very, _very_ bitter about that fact, and attempts to sublimate his unfulfilled adolescent longing with crudely drawn fantasies of an unjust world overrun by cackling sadists and black-hearted succubi who desire nothing more than to oppress his sad, delicate, and unattended manhood. > > I hear he’s a lot of fun in Cafe Society threads, though. Heh. Until the last line, I thought you were describing George Bush. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/24 "2011-08-04T11:57:29Z")
We should keep in mind that those who protested the war from the start, have been shouting in the desert for quite some time now. Those who, at the time, pointed out what was going on were treated with much disdain, and outright hostility, if listened to at all. It was very hard to cut through the propaganda and beating of war drums. Remeber ‘Support the troops’ ‘Freedom Fries’ ‘Why do you hate America?’ Slowly slowly it has become more and more apparent that something ‘was not quite as we were led to believe’. The hostility against those who were right all along subsided. But the dismissals continued. ‘Too soon to tell’ ‘It is all just an unfortunate mistake’ ‘Bush made decisions on faulty intelligence’. It was no mistake. Those of us who knew that all along and have been talking in the desert, shouting in the desert and yes shrieking in the desert. Because nothing seems to penetrate. ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/25 "2011-08-04T12:16:02Z")
What’s that got to do with Der Trihs being a dopey prick? ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/26 "2011-08-04T12:22:22Z")
That, maybe, he is just tired of ‘civil discourse’ after having so much ‘TRAITOR!’ thrown at him ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/27 "2011-08-04T12:25:16Z")
I don’t see it as an escape from “civil discourse”. It seems a deliberate attempt to get a rise. You only need to see some other of his responses to know he can do a lot better. ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/28 "2011-08-04T12:32:24Z")
… ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/29 "2011-08-04T12:43:15Z")
> [@Cicero](#): > > It seems a deliberate attempt to get a rise. Yes. Because, you see, there is this actual cabal, no conspiracy handwaving !, an actual cabal that has invaded a sovereign country, without provocation. A warcrime. No two ways about it. By all rights Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush Sr and Wolfowitz ought to be hanged. They have caused the deaths of how many **thousands** of innocent people? For blatant self enrichment. And people give it a shrug. Do you find it strange that is, let’s say, ‘somewhat frustrating’ to people who still see clear? I mean **FUCK!!** this lot is literally getting away with bloody murder, and people here can do nothing else than say ‘Tssk Tssk, **Trihs** , language!’ See, now you have me shouting too ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/30 "2011-08-04T12:50:25Z")
Thanks for highligting **Normal Phase** ’s post, a very succint summary. > [@Crown\_Prince\_of\_Irony](#): > > My whole point is that one must truly and honestly comprehend and represent the nature of their opponents to hope for any kind of constructive discourse. We don’t need to make out Bush et al as any worse than they actually were to convey the depth of corruption and hubris that they embodied. But as bad as they were, I can pretty much guarantee that these guys didn’t sit in war rooms with their fingers tented, smiling over Iraqi and Afghani body counts every day - and they damn sure didn’t jump for joy on 9/11, with 3000 US citizens dead. > > I’m not saying the reality is much better - that they simply didn’t care how many were killed in pursuit of their agenda, and that they didn’t let jurisprudence, the civil rights of our own citizens, or preservation of basic human dignity get in their way; and that after the fact, they used 9/11 as an excuse to execute their plans. I wholly endorse this view. A worthwhile pitting. I think **Der Trihs** often has worthwhile things to say, but when he starts ranting the only thing to do is ignore him. His approach is often completely counter-productive, and he is capable of better. If Bush is evil (and the argument can certainly be made), I tend to think he is so by a process of ignorance, self-justification and ego. I don’t see him as taking pleasure in other’s suffering. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/31 "2011-08-04T13:31:24Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > And people give it a shrug. That is such complete fucking bullshit. Apparently you somehow have managed to overlook the hundreds, if not thousands, of threads posted on this board during the entire Bush tenure, and since, endlessly wallowing in what a reprehensible bunch of poltroons occupied the White House during the period. By the way, aside from pissing and moaning about it on an anonymous message board years after the fact, what the fuck are you, personally, doing about bringing Bush, _et al_ to justice? Lastly, you do realize, don’t you, that **D\_T** ’s complaints go far deeper than just being rather upset with the previous administration, right? ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/32 "2011-08-04T13:50:59Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > By the way, aside from pissing and moaning about it on an anonymous message board years after the fact, what the fuck are you, personally, doing about bringing Bush, _et al_ to justice? Well, we have a court here in The Hague, all set up. All _you_ need to do is arrest them. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/33 "2011-08-04T14:08:50Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > I mean **FUCK!!** this lot is literally getting away with bloody murder, and people here can do nothing else than say > ‘Tssk Tssk, **Trihs** , language!’ Oh, I’m far from indifferent. I’m angry about how the war in Iraq was justified, how intelligence from sources known to have an agenda was wilfully interpreted as a serious WMD program and connections to Al-Queda. About the spin that Iraq would be a beacon for democracy in the Middle East. About how concerns over keeping order in Iraq after an invasion were handwaved away. IIRC, one general was trying to highlight the importance of keeping utilities running and preventing looting, but was ignored. I’m angry that a lot of people have died to achieve very little. I’m angry that the perpetrators of this action have never had to face any serious repercussions for the mess their arrogance created. I find it depressing that so many people are indifferent to all this. I’ve spent a fair bit of time arguing these points on other forums. However, shouting FUCK repeatedly and making Bush out to be someone who dines on three Muslim babies for breakfast achieves nothing. It just becomes worthless bleating, I’ve heard it a million times. And I’m fed up with people who can’t accept anything that is contrary to their own world-view. Bush and co have a lot to answer for, but a point often overlooked is that it’s the Iraqis who are killing each other. > [@Latro](#): > > By all rights Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush Sr and Wolfowitz ought to be hanged. > They have caused the deaths of how many **thousands** of innocent people? For blatant self enrichment. I seriously doubt that it was as simple as Rumsfeld et al firing up a spreadsheet. In the wake of 9/11, the hawks found they had a mandate. If you read some of their spiel, they are ideologically driven. They have a view as America as leader of the world, and themselves as leaders of America. Also, can you not see the appeal in toppling an unambiguously evil dictator like Hussein? How easy to convince yourself that whatever regime replaced it could only be an improvement? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/34 "2011-08-04T14:23:23Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Yes. > Because, you see, there is this actual cabal, no conspiracy handwaving !, an actual cabal that has invaded a sovereign country, without provocation. > A warcrime. > > No two ways about it. > > By all rights Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush Sr and Wolfowitz ought to be hanged. > They have caused the deaths of how many **thousands** of innocent people? For blatant self enrichment. > > And people give it a shrug. > Do you find it strange that is, let’s say, ‘somewhat frustrating’ to people who still see clear? > > I mean **FUCK!!** this lot is literally getting away with bloody murder, and people here can do nothing else than say > ‘Tssk Tssk, **Trihs** , language!’ DT’s comments reveal him to be an asshole who lives in a comic book. And now we meet another of the characters. The use of “cabal” was a little over the top, though. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/35 "2011-08-04T14:38:46Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Well, we have a court here in The Hague, all set up. > All _you_ need to do is arrest them. You’ve personally set up a court in the Hague? Cool! How did you get the authority to do tbat? Anyway I’m sure DT is headed to Crawford now, citizen’s arrest warrant in hand. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/36 "2011-08-04T15:06:21Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Well, we have a court here in The Hague, all set up. > All _you_ need to do is arrest them. Well, I see two slight problems there: 1. To the best of my knowledge, the International Court has not issued any indictments against Bush or other members of his administration 2. Even if it had, I’m not a law enforcement officer and despite romantic notions of ‘citizen’s arrests’, they generally don’t work out very well for the person doing the arresting. But seriously, your defense of **D\_T** is “They made me act irrationally”? Personally, I find that less than compelling. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/37 "2011-08-04T16:05:48Z")
> [@cedman](#): > > He seems to be very smug that he hasn’t killed anyone. > > Strange, I know perhaps thousands of right wingers who’ve never killed anyone either! > > I’m looking for the exact mental problem that he has… I’ts not a mental problem, it’s just a lack of perspective, and he’s far from the only person who lacks perspective, but he is one of the worst at maintain perspective among posters on this board. In fact, I see quite a few people on both sides of the political spectrum who utterly lack perspective and, of course, it’s these types who are most likely to get into shouting matches and least likely to affect anyone else’s opinions or have their own opinion’s changed. To this end, I offer two things that I think make a big difference here in the vain hope that maybe it will help with someone’s perspective and we can have more productive discussions. 1. Hanlon’s Razor ([Hanlon's razor - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor)) - “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” I think it’s human nature to be hurt and think that it was intentional, or to see someone do something we disagree with and think they did it out of malice. But it’s precisely these sorts of assumptions that escalate and ultimately create hate between people. It’s not always easy, but always try to find a non-malicious reason why someone might be doing a bad thing and the world becomes a much better place and these discussions can actually be productive. 2. Simply put, two reasonable people can disagree on a point. Especially in things like politics, people weigh things up differently and have different priorities and you’re not always going to see eye to eye. Sometimes two people can honestly examine all of that evidence and come to different conclusions. It seldom means that they’re stupid or evil, it just means they have different opinions or priorities. Spend less time trying to attack them for disagreeing and trying to change their mind and more time trying to understand those differences in values and priorities and you’ll make a lot more headway. To these ends, I think **Der Trihs** doesn’t do well with either of these prinicples. Bush didn’t screw up the country because he was had different veiws or even because he was incompeteent, he did it because he was evil. Conservatives don’t disagree with him because they have different values and priorities, they disagree because they’re stupid or evil. Honestly, I don’t know how people live in a world where they see so much evil around them everywhere. If I saw that much evil around me all the time, I’d probably be much the same way. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/38 "2011-08-04T16:56:25Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > However, shouting FUCK repeatedly and making Bush out to be someone who dines on three Muslim babies for breakfast achieves nothing. It just becomes worthless bleating, I’ve heard it a million times. And I’m fed up with people who can’t accept anything that is contrary to their own world-view. Bush and co have a lot to answer for, but a point often overlooked is that it’s the Iraqis who are killing each other. That doesn’t make any sense. One “dines on” things (or Muslim babies) at DINNER. At breakfast, one breaks one’s fast. ---
**Author:** ![Crown\_Prince\_of\_Irony](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed655f/32.png) [@Crown\_Prince\_of\_Irony](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crown_Prince_of_Irony)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/39 "2011-08-04T18:10:00Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Yes. > Because, you see, there is this actual cabal, no conspiracy handwaving !, an actual cabal that has invaded a sovereign country, without provocation. > A warcrime. > > No two ways about it. > > By all rights Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush Sr and Wolfowitz ought to be hanged. > They have caused the deaths of how many **thousands** of innocent people? For blatant self enrichment. > > And people give it a shrug. > Do you find it strange that is, let’s say, ‘somewhat frustrating’ to people who still see clear? > > I mean **FUCK!!** this lot is literally getting away with bloody murder, and people here can do nothing else than say > ‘Tssk Tssk, **Trihs** , language!’ > > See, now you have me shouting too Who’s giving it a shrug? Certainly not me. While I haven’t been very politically vocal on these boards, my position is clearly stated in OP, and I’ll say it to anyone who asks me in person (and yes, I’ve been called a traitor for saying as much). If **Der Trihs** were to regularly post content as coherent, rational and to the point as the post from **Normal Phase** I quoted in the OP, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But no, he had to post invective and bile, without providing much by way of reasoned argument. And my point (again) being, this adds nothing positive to the discussion at hand, and is in fact a detriment because it forces away folks who may otherwise participate. And beyond the Bush discussion, he is not known for any kind of nuanced, rational viewpoint on religion either - he’s derailed many a productive discussion with his anti-religious, anti-right vitriol, to the benefit of no one but himself. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370/40 "2011-08-04T19:01:07Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > 1. Hanlon’s Razor ([Hanlon's razor - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor)) - “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” I think it’s human nature to be hurt and think that it was intentional, or to see someone do something we disagree with and think they did it out of malice. But it’s precisely these sorts of assumptions that escalate and ultimately create hate between people. It’s not always easy, but always try to find a non-malicious reason why someone might be doing a bad thing and the world becomes a much better place and these discussions can actually be productive. Yes, it’s a good guideline, and one I don’t apply as oten as I should. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-der-trihs-in-the-gwb-9-11-thread/591370.md?page=3)