# Re-Focused essay on suicidality **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 14, 2014, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068 "2014-07-14T13:12:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/21 "2014-07-14T16:03:33Z")
Everyone, let’s lay off the personal shots. This thread is open for now. But I reserve the right to change my mind on that at any moment. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/22 "2014-07-14T16:16:58Z")
> [@Steken](#): > > Er, no. > > I only approached a girl for another reason - to ask her if she wanted a beer. > > Rather than causing “sexual harassment and suicide,” this caused a “relationship,” which five years later is still going strong. > > Of course it might still _end_ in “sexual harassment and suicide,” but so far things are pretty peachy. Well, that could be effected by approaching her _sister_ to explain that sexual stratification causes suicide, or if she wants a beer. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/23 "2014-07-14T16:25:59Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Dear **Ecmandu** , > > I just explained to my partner that I am a slave to her female sexual psychopathology, and it’s destroying the human species. She agreed. Then she asked me to empty the dishwasher after I was done with the newspaper. I’m considering suicide. Please advise. > > Sincerely, > > Searching Longingly for A Viable Existence Have sex with the dishwasher. It’s the only responsible way. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/24 "2014-07-14T16:30:28Z")
Your post is a target rich environment of snark bait and a lot of things that are just plain wrong. Example: 20% of men don’t get 80% of the women. Pareto isn’t \*that \*universal. But digging through the brush, you do have a commendable goal in there: move humanity towards something resembling a more peaceful matriarchal bonobo society instead of a violent patriarchal chimpanzee society. That sort of thing has been discussed before in political philosophy, but I don’t think it’s possible absent genetic engineering. You could say the enlightenment, feminism, and the hippies moved the needle a tick or two in that direction, but it doesn’t seem particularly stable and it could easily flip the other way (e.g. the Middle East). The world already has problems with overpopulation and STDs, I wonder how bad it would be if we casually fooled around as much as bonobos. Plus that sort of world is basically straight male wish fulfillment. > [@Ecmandu](#): > > …it effects neurological changes in the brains of males to turn them into robot slaves of female sexual psychopathy… That’s kinda hot. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/25 "2014-07-14T16:31:57Z")
> [@Ecmandu](#): > > …Sent to Geoffrey Miller and Steven Pinker and David Buss and David Schmitt and the administrations Global Development Council… When you sent this ghodawful missive to these poor people that certainly have better things to do with their busy lives, _please_ tell me that you didn’t associate this message board with your theories. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/26 "2014-07-14T16:33:45Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Have sex with the dishwasher. It’s the only responsible way. I prefer it with the gun cabinet - safe sex, don’t you know. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/27 "2014-07-14T16:37:38Z")
> [@Ecmandu](#): > > That’s called the female sexual blackmail system… it effects neurological changes in the brains of males to turn them into robot slaves of female sexual psychopathy and it’s devastating consequences on the species. And that devastating consequence would be… overpopulation? ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/28 "2014-07-14T17:40:41Z")
> [@Ecmandu](#): > > That’s approaching a woman… that causes male suicide. So far, my relationship has caused 0 suicides (that I know of). Her cat passed away shortly after we hooked up but I had nothing to do with that, honest. > [@Ecmandu](#): > > You succomed to the female sexual blackmail system. Who was being blackmailed, in this situation, and how? > [@Ecmandu](#): > > That’s like putting an ad on Craigs list saying you’re new in town and looking for friends and only going for the women. It’s dishonest… **Ecmandu**. **Eccie**. Buddy. Friend. Are you calling me dishonest? That’s… That’s mean, **Ecmandu**. You know? In fact, I was very honest about the fact that when I walked up to her and offered her a beer, it wasn’t because I was “new in town and looking for friends.” I noticed her from across the room, thought she looked fucking amazing, and decided to give it a shot. Amazingly, it worked. She turned out to be a wonderful person, for some reason she wasn’t repulsed by yours truly, and so here we are. > [@Ecmandu](#): > > the problem is that women only go for men who play the game What game? Apart from “human interaction,” which isn’t necessarily evil in and by itself? > [@Ecmandu](#): > > It is the only responsible way to approach a woman to talk about how sexual stratification causes massive suicide in the male population. It’s called being responsible. Not an asshole. … And now you’re calling me an asshole. Just because I offered a girl a beer, chatted her up, kissed her and - long story short - ended up in a relationship with her. **Eccie** , dude, that’s… Pretty uncalled for, I think. Wouldn’t you say? ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/29 "2014-07-14T18:32:44Z")
Wait, what? None of my sexual partners has ever become a robot slave. Please explain more fully so that I can get it right next time. ---
**Author:** ![Skara\_Brae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Skara\_Brae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skara_Brae)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/30 "2014-07-14T18:51:26Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > Wait, what? None of my sexual partners has ever become a robot slave. Please explain more fully so that I can get it right next time. Yes, I could really use a robot slave or two. I can’t even get my husband to stop leaving his towels on the bathroom floor… ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/31 "2014-07-14T19:12:30Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > Wait, what? None of my sexual partners has ever become a robot slave. Please explain more fully so that I can get it right next time. Not until you provide evidence that they didn’t commit suicide. You psychopath. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/32 "2014-07-14T20:40:13Z")
Women are human beings with their own wants, needs, and agendas. They have no responsibility to service male desire. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2014, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/33 "2014-07-15T00:52:21Z")
**Ecmandu** , From the [Registration Agreement](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=650726): > [@](#): > > The board is not intended to furnish you with a forum for promoting your personal agenda. We reserve the right to ask you to limit postings on a particular topic, or to refrain from posting on such topics altogether. You really need to broaden your horizons on this message board. Few of the TM are interested in your weird beliefs, (based on silly invented numbers such as claims for a 30:1 suicide rate for men over women or a claim that women dominate the field of psychology\*). If you are going to simply repeatedly post unintelligible screeds defending your beliefs based on your inability to get laid, we are going to ask you to curtail your posting to this board. [/Moderating] \*_(A very recent trend that means your claim would be ridiculous any time before about 1990.)_ ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2014, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/34 "2014-07-15T01:03:17Z")
> [@Ecmandu](#): > > Nevermind. _sigh_ I have fantasies every once and a while that people have reason and depth of character, that people are intelligent and insightful and well… can see past the female sexual blackmail system, and well… hmm… understand things about life. Nope. Just fantasies I’m afraid. We’re all just happy, shallow, short-sighted little sexually blackmailed idiots. Thankfully ignorance is bliss :). ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2014, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/35 "2014-07-15T07:25:42Z")
> [@Ecmandu](#): > > It’s impossible to receive sex from a female if you don’t approach or flirt with them. It always has been. In instances where this is not the case, someone who does these things must point them towards you. Women have no capacity to detect men who prevent sexual harassment, and zero capacity to give them sex. Women are people, not vending machines for sex. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2014, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/36 "2014-07-15T09:35:42Z")
> [@Ecmandu](#): > > It’s impossible to receive sex from a female if you don’t approach or flirt with them. It always has been. Well, it’s a _little_ impractical for them to have sex with someone they’ve never heard of who is a hundred yards away. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2014, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/37 "2014-07-15T10:55:27Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Well, it’s a _little_ impractical for them to have sex with someone they’ve never heard of who is a hundred yards away. Not the way I do it. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2014, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/38 "2014-07-15T11:00:08Z")
Am I wrong, or is this just a very, very intense version of ‘Nice Guy Syndrome’? ---
**Author:** ![Ecmandu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/958977/32.png) [@Ecmandu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ecmandu)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2014, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/39 "2014-07-15T12:38:22Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > **Ecmandu** , From the [Registration Agreement](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=650726): You really need to broaden your horizons on this message board. Few of the TM are interested in your weird beliefs, (based on silly invented numbers such as claims for a 30:1 suicide rate for men over women or a claim that women dominate the field of psychology\*). If you are going to simply repeatedly post unintelligible screeds defending your beliefs based on your inability to get laid, we are going to ask you to curtail your posting to this board. > > [/Moderating] > \*_(A very recent trend that means your claim would be ridiculous any time before about 1990.)_ The reason I use a number of 30:1 is because we know that the female suicide attempt rate is 3 times higher than the male suicide attempt rate. If testosterone were to blame as some people suggest, then both the male completion and male attempt rates would be higher because men would make more mistakes as well… The REASON the female attempt rate is higher is because of what gets sexually rescued, the damsel in distress so to speak, perhaps some combination of borderline… but this is because men rescue depression and stress with emotional and physical intimacy. What this also means is that most female suicide completions are actually failed suicide attempts for the purpose of making the attempt look good, which will raise the number from 1:4-5 to a larger 1:30. I’m the one who figured this out, so you won’t find this statistic in suicidology. Since women don’t sexually rescue depression, men are actually known for hiding their feelings. And since the reason men are so depressed is because of high sexual stratification… which is actually a matter of justice, this causes a correct formation of increased stress and depression, which leads to more suicide. The leading cause of suicide on earth is sexual neglect through the stratification of sexual variety. Now, I’ve heard the snide comment that women are offended to be called psychopaths, and that anyone who suggests so is deemed to have some sort of offputting superiority complex that would clearly turn a woman off. To this I would merely suggest that if a woman said men were like this and then proceeded to ask them for sex, the male would have sex with them. It’s not about being robots or sex slaves… women and men by definition have the same exact distribution… there can only be one man for each woman. The problem is the stratification of sexual variety. Women basically get, from a very small percentage of men, all of the sexual variety they could ever want… and a very large percentage of men have increased stress and depression because of this phenomenon. Basically, women are hypocrites of the highest order… their denial system sounds like pure psychopathy, it is an extreme psychopathology. Even if all the war, rape, homicide and poverty in the world stopped tomorrow… female sexual stratification would cause a million male suicides every year and the female number would probably be zero. This is why I get on about this so much… it will be the last form of psychopathy on earth. ---
**Author:** ![Ecmandu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/958977/32.png) [@Ecmandu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ecmandu)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2014, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068/40 "2014-07-15T12:56:49Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > **Ecmandu** , From the [Registration Agreement](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=650726): You really need to broaden your horizons on this message board. Few of the TM are interested in your weird beliefs, (based on silly invented numbers such as claims for a 30:1 suicide rate for men over women or a claim that women dominate the field of psychology\*). If you are going to simply repeatedly post unintelligible screeds defending your beliefs based on your inability to get laid, we are going to ask you to curtail your posting to this board. > > [/Moderating] > \*_(A very recent trend that means your claim would be ridiculous any time before about 1990.)_ Perhaps… I know that in the mental health field, the number of female applicants is always much higher than the number of male applicants even though males are either preferred or gender balance is preferred… I actually have ALOT of experience with this. I refer you also to the post above to address your points that I am being absurd or a lunatic or a troll or a poster basher… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-focused-essay-on-suicidality/693068.md?page=3)