# Re: Jehovah's witnesses at the door **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [April 22, 2011, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394 "2011-04-22T19:30:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![raindog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@raindog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raindog)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/201 "2011-06-13T17:52:42Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > So does getting whooshed by **simster** count negative time? 'Cause that’s all I see. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/202 "2011-06-17T06:52:16Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > But this isn’t authorization, a command, or instructions. If anything, it’s self-reporting, assuming Jesus did utter these words. Here: [read it in multiple translations](http://bible.cc/acts/20-20.htm) and show me where Jesus or the authors of this passage command any disciples to go door to door. > > Where? Please show me the command to proselytize door to door. > **That I confess I cannot do, but I can adduce Luke’s statement from Acts 5:42 about ‘house to house’, etc.–d.m.** > > Also, please demonstrate justification for using the US court system to advance your sales while boycotting political support and service, military and police service and voting. If you commandeer political benefit while Satan is in command, are you an accessory to his service, or not? > > **Christians are commanded to be law-abiding citizens, excepting in matters where there is a conflict with the Laws of God. --Mark 12:17; Acts 5:29. --d. m.** > > Yeah, I’m not perfect, hell I’m not even anointed. I believe the tactics employed by JW’s are dishonest. I believe the refusal to answer direct questions in this thread are dishonest. I believe you lied when you accused me of name-calling, while you yourself labeled others “imsolent clods”, “sex perverts” and “sinister”. > > **Where I said “sex perverts,” I was empathizing with the hypothetical sentiment of neghbors who might know that you answer the door in the nude. As for “sinister,” I apparently misread a poster’s name–I’ve had some vision problems with ill-fitting glasses–and I mistook the name for “sinister.” It was a mistake and I apologize. We will discuss “insolent clods” later. --d.m.** > > Okay, but since your practice skips the entire population of all institutions of higher learning including private, state, and community colleges, [(68% of high school grads)](http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/hsgec.pdf) I am not quite sure how you figure quality is a factor, unless “screw 'em, the smart ones don’t get to hear the Good News” is another command I can’t find in the Bible. > > **Let me put it this way: according to Matthew 11:25, the highly educated have no advantage over anyone else insofar as The Good News is concerned. For the record, my I. Q. is 139. --d.m.** > > But based on the numbers and the replies in this thread: the unwanted soliciting by JW’s is an unwanted nuisance, you are NOT divinely commanded to knock on doors, and the JW method for spreading the good news isn’t working. **Unwanted? We shall see. (Acts 5:38, 39. --d.m. 🙂 )** ---
**Author:** ![ministryman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@ministryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ministryman)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/203 "2011-06-17T14:26:06Z")
> [@Michael\_of\_Lucan](#): > > I think you are missing the point. The vast majority of people dislike door-to-door marketing - whether it is someone marketing his beliefs or his new mousetrap. > > You assume that you have the right to disturb us to make your pitch, and that our only right is to tell you to go away. We are trying to give you a message, and you are not hearing the message - **calls from people like you are disruptive of our lives**. You should find some other way to convert the world to your version of reality, please. Amen. If I want your product, I’ll look for it online. Do not disturb my peace. BTW, I do have a way to send the JWs packing. It’s polite. I ask three questions. The first two are easy, but for some reason no one has ever come back with an answer to the third. I invite them to come back when they can. They haven’t in 30 years… ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/204 "2011-06-17T14:34:09Z")
> [@ministryman](#): > > Amen. > > If I want your product, I’ll look for it online. Do not disturb my peace. > > BTW, I do have a way to send the JWs packing. It’s polite. I ask three questions. The first two are easy, but for some reason no one has ever come back with an answer to the third. I invite them to come back when they can. They haven’t in 30 years… I’d be interested in your three questions - ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/205 "2011-06-17T15:13:26Z")
1. - What is your name? 2. - What is your quest? 3. - What is the average airspeed of an unladen swallow? ---
**Author:** ![raindog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@raindog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raindog)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/206 "2011-06-17T15:21:27Z")
> [@ministryman](#): > > Amen. > > If I want your product, I’ll look for it online. Do not disturb my peace. > > BTW, I do have a way to send the JWs packing. It’s polite. I ask three questions. The first two are easy, but for some reason no one has ever come back with an answer to the third. I invite them to come back when they can. They haven’t in 30 years… Yea, I’d be interested in these 3 questions… ---
**Author:** ![ministryman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@ministryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ministryman)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/207 "2011-06-17T18:37:56Z")
1. Your religion believes that only 144,000 people are going to heaven (from their interpretation of the Book of Revelation)? Their answer: Yes! 2. Since the creation of your church in the 1870s by Charles Taze Russell, would it be fair to assume that at least 144,000 of your faithful has died? Their answer: Yes? 3. My religion and my Bible says that Heaven has no bounds on population…Can you tell me why I would want to join a religion in which I have no chance at Heaven? Their Answer: I’m still waiting, and it’s been 30 years… ---
**Author:** ![ministryman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@ministryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ministryman)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/208 "2011-06-17T18:45:24Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > 1. > - What is your name? > > 2. > - What is your quest? > > 3. > - What is the average airspeed of an unladen swallow? You know, a trap door would be funnier…but disposing of the bodies would pose a problem. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/209 "2011-06-17T21:31:16Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > 1. > - What is your name? > > 2. > - What is your quest? > > 3. > - What is the average airspeed of an unladen swallow? African or European? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/210 "2011-06-17T21:55:36Z")
> [@ministryman](#): > > 1. Your religion believes that only 144,000 people are going to heaven (from their interpretation of the Book of Revelation)? Their answer: Yes! > 2. Since the creation of your church in the 1870s by Charles Taze Russell, would it be fair to assume that at least 144,000 of your faithful has died? Their answer: Yes? > 3. My religion and my Bible says that Heaven has no bounds on population…Can you tell me why I would want to join a religion in which I have no chance at Heaven? > > Their Answer: > > I’m still waiting, and it’s been 30 years… 1.) def yes 2.)They actually count back to the time of Christ for the start of the 144,000 at this point - when Rutherford set the number (that was considered sealed in 1935) he was really counting those tht stayed with him after the split when Russell died. 3.) Thats actually pretty easy even given their belief system - as they believe in a ‘paradise on earth’ for the rest. that would be on par if not ‘better’ than heaven - “The Meek shall inherit the earth” and all that - so, the reason they don’t come back to answer you is they realize that it would be a waste of time. Better questions would be: 1.) What is your principal message? - that the time has come and we are in the last days of this system? 2.) What does Luke 21:8 have to say about that? \* 3.) Who does the bible say is the mediator between god and man? Who is yours? \*\* If you get them to even continue the conversation past that point - ask them if the Watchtower ever resorted to spiritists or the pyramids to back up thier claims and/or translations ([Johannes Greber](http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/who_is_greber.htm) for John 1:1, [Studies in Scriptures on the Pyramid stuff](http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/pyramid.html) - using it to set the date are two really quick examples) - and when they say that the WT writers/leaders are still 'just men", then ask why they follow ‘men’ who have clearly been misleading the flock and not following the bible since day 1 of the ‘organization’? - For being bible students, this scripture is often missed in thier literature - when I did a search thru their own CDs, it was only referenced once, back in the 1950s, and all other references were as a group cite about the “signs of the end times” in their literature, but the specific scripture in not discussed. Heck, One of the “Studies in Scriptures” book titles was “The Time is at Hand”. If you corner a JW with this, they will say that the scripture doesn’t apply to them, as they are the ‘chosen ones’ by god to spread this message (if that isn’t a clear reference to “I am he”, I don’t know what is). \*\* Compare 1 Timothy 2:5,6 and Watchtower 1979 April 1 p.31 where it says “So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the “mediator” only for anointed Christians.” and remind them who the “anointed are” in the eyes of the Watchtower (the 144,000) - which effectively makes the 144,00 the mediator between the “flock” or “great crowd” and Christ- (who was it earlier, that said there isn’t a clergy laity division?) ---
**Author:** ![raindog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@raindog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raindog)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/211 "2011-06-17T23:52:37Z")
> [@ministryman](#): > > 1. Your religion believes that only 144,000 people are going to heaven (from their interpretation of the Book of Revelation)? Their answer: Yes! > 2. Since the creation of your church in the 1870s by Charles Taze Russell, would it be fair to assume that at least 144,000 of your faithful has died? Their answer: Yes? > 3. My religion and my Bible says that Heaven has no bounds on population…Can you tell me why I would want to join a religion in which I have no chance at Heaven? > > Their Answer: > > I’m still waiting, and it’s been 30 years… Why, do you suppose, haven’t they answered you in 30 years? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/212 "2011-06-18T00:19:38Z")
> [@raindog](#): > > Why, do you suppose, haven’t they answered you in 30 years? Why don’t you take the opportunity to answer it now, or are you not a member ? ---
**Author:** ![raindog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@raindog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raindog)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/213 "2011-06-18T00:27:19Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Why don’t you take the opportunity to answer it now, or are you not a member ? Well, because I’m interested in his perceptions on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/214 "2011-06-18T00:39:45Z")
> [@raindog](#): > > Well, because I’m interested in his perceptions on the matter. You could answer the question(s) and still get his perceptions - but this is really just your way of avoiding giving an answer - which is typical of all your responses. ---
**Author:** ![raindog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@raindog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raindog)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/215 "2011-06-18T00:52:41Z")
> [@simster](#): > > You could answer the question(s) and still get his perceptions - but this is really just your way of avoiding giving an answer - which is typical of all your responses. I asked _him_, not you. Chillax. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/216 "2011-06-18T01:00:01Z")
> [@raindog](#): > > I asked _him_, not you. Chillax. He clearly wants an answer - or feels like the question ‘scares’ the JW away - or that they can’t (or won’t) answer it - I’d like to know your answer to the questions - you wanted to know his questions - presumably to ‘answer’ them - if you wanted his perception as to why they wouldn’t answer his questions, you could have asked for that before. So - will you or won’t you answer his three questions for him - dear god man, he’s been waiting 30 years for the answers - help him out a little. so - Yes or No - will you answer his questions? ---
**Author:** ![raindog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@raindog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raindog)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/217 "2011-06-18T01:45:08Z")
> [@simster](#): > > He clearly wants an answer - or feels like the question ‘scares’ the JW away - or that they can’t (or won’t) answer it - I’d like to know your answer to the questions - you wanted to know his questions - presumably to ‘answer’ them - if you wanted his perception as to why they wouldn’t answer his questions, you could have asked for that before. > > So - will you or won’t you answer his three questions for him - dear god man, he’s been waiting 30 years for the answers - help him out a little. > > so - Yes or No - will you answer his questions? I will tell you this… I won’t answer _yours_… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/218 "2011-06-18T01:59:23Z")
> [@raindog](#): > > I will tell you this… I won’t answer _yours_… 😃 Fair enough, since I have absolutely zero reason to believe anything you write, but I am still curious as to whether or not you intend to answer HIS questions. If history is any teacher - we already know that answer as well. Good Day, Sir. ---
**Author:** ![raindog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@raindog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raindog)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/219 "2011-06-18T02:14:58Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Fair enough, since I have absolutely zero reason to believe anything you write, but I am still curious as to whether or not you intend to answer HIS questions. > > If history is any teacher - we already know that answer as well. > > Good Day, Sir. Good day, sir. You’re so polite! I like that. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394/220 "2011-06-18T02:21:42Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Fair enough, since I have absolutely zero reason to believe anything you write, but I am still curious as to whether or not you intend to answer HIS questions. > > If history is any teacher - we already know that answer as well. > > Good Day, Sir. Dude, are you still trying to get the last word in WITH A JEHOVAH’S WITNESS? That’s like trying to outrun a cheetah or beat a monkey at arm-wrestling. It’s not going to happen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-jehovahs-witnesses-at-the-door/579394.md?page=12)