# Re-Posted Bill Maher makes a good point. LINK **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 16, 2024, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332 "2024-11-16T21:30:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/81 "2024-11-17T19:05:49Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I’m simply telling you the way things are. The way you think they are, yes. > [@BigT](#): > > Trans people do not in any way respect Briana Wu. She is seen as a self-hating trans person. Brianna Wu is a trans person, and I don’t think she views herself as a self hating trans person. So clearly when you speak of “trans people” and the way they view Brianna Wu, you’re speaking about a subset of them, not all of them. > [@BigT](#): > > These sorts happen with every minority. They think that, by cozying up with their oppressors, they won’t be targeted. It’s a self-defense mechanism. As a Jewish person, I’m _very_ familiar with that phenomenon, especially lately. But Brianna Wu isn’t _cozying up_ to Republicans; she’s very much a Liberal. I notice you still haven’t provided any examples for any of your claims… > [@BigT](#): > > Attacking the messenger will not change the message. I’m informing you of information you did not know. I’m not _attacking_ you, and I’m well aware of the way Brianna is viewed by the activist far left. I don’t consider their views on her accurate, of course. > [@BigT](#): > > Being outside is the default. Unless you’ve made a decision to join in and talk to trans people, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Unless I’ve made a decision to talk to _your list of pre-approved trans people_, you mean; be cause Brianna Wu is a trans person, but you seem very upset that I’ve listened to what she has said. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/82 "2024-11-17T19:07:00Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > So, all the Democrats yelling at Moulton are just figments of ~~our~~ your imagination No, they’re the governor of MA, the city council chair of the biggest city in his district, the people who are claiming that they are preparing to primary him in 2026, and his campaign manager who quit. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/83 "2024-11-17T19:07:23Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > > [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > > > Democrats don’t run on woke issues. Republicans run against woke issues. > > This. It only takes one side to keep something in political consciousness. Yes. Mentioned it before. The Dems keep letting the other side define them and the issues first and then demand that we prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that it is not so. Many Dems are surely aware the Right will _ **never** _ stop asking us to throw yet someone else under the proverbial bus to prove we’re not just trying to destroy goodness and righteousness. And that we are not in a position to say that we don’t want anyone who does not exactly 110% fit all our ideals to be running under our banner. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/84 "2024-11-17T19:16:10Z")
By this logic, red state Republicans [policing their own for moderate immigration stances](https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/29/politics/oklahoma-gop-condemns-censures-lankford-border-negotiations/index.html) is why Republicans can’t win swing states right? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/85 "2024-11-17T19:16:58Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Many Dems are surely aware the Right will _ **never** _ stop asking us to throw yet someone else under the proverbial bus to prove we’re not just trying to destroy goodness and righteousness The idea that supporting trans people having the right to gender affirming care and believing that we should treat trans people as members of the gender they identify with in all contexts where different treatment is based on social criteria rather than physical characteristics is “throwing them under the bus” is completely ridiculous. When you frame it that way, you are not being reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/86 "2024-11-17T19:18:20Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > They didn’t literally come up to him in person and vocalize in an elevated volume, no. “They” is one named person who didn’t even say anything bad about Moulton. “I think it’s really important that the party have discussions about a whole bunch of issues. There’s too much conflating of things right now. What I saw in that comment is playing politics with people, and we shouldn’t do that… We should have real conversations and not play politics with people, particularly with young people and people who are vulnerable.” - Maura Healy > [@Babale](#): > > I guess all the Democrats yelling at Moulton are just figments of our imagination or Republican agents? So it looks like this is a figment of _your_ imagination. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/87 "2024-11-17T19:22:09Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > I guess all the Democrats yelling at Moulton are just figments of our imagination or Republican agents? > > So it looks like this is a figment of _your_ imagination. Fine, she preached at him, not yelled at him. Just like he said: we do too much preaching and not enough listening. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/88 "2024-11-17T19:24:03Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Fine, she preached at him, not yelled at him So “all the Democrats yelling at Moulton” is one woman who says she’d like to have a conversation with him about trans issues. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/89 "2024-11-17T19:25:49Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > So “all the Democrats yelling at Moulton” is one woman who says she’d like to have a conversation with him about trans issues Did you read the article, which quoted other Democrats calling him “transphobic” and “reprehensible”? Or the Democrat organizing a rally in his hometown who said he was fear mongering? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/90 "2024-11-17T19:27:13Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Unless I’ve made a decision to talk to _your list of pre-approved trans people_, you mean; be cause Brianna Wu is a trans person, but you seem very upset that I’ve listened to what she has said. ⁢ No, just that you actually have trans friends. That you actually interact in the community. That you’re not just going by what one talking head tells you. It’s not even hard to see. Her argument is that trans people need to back off fighting for their rights. That some basic things are too far. Would you tolerate it if a Jewish person said that you should accept some level of antisemitism? She’s an appeaser. She started out as just a transphobe, then had to admit she was trans and then pivoted to supporting TERF talking points. She does not speak for trans people. Why is it so hard to accept that you’ve been bamboozled? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/91 "2024-11-17T19:28:28Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Would you tolerate it if a Jewish person said that you should accept some level of antisemitism? 🤣 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You’re joking, right? I’ve had to do _precisely that_ for a little over a year now. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/92 "2024-11-17T19:28:59Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It’s not even hard to see. Her argument is that trans people need to back off fighting for their rights. That some basic things are too far. Can you quote where she made that argument? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/93 "2024-11-17T19:30:17Z")
If you had Democrats saying things like that, why did you use Maura Healey, who didn’t say anything like that, as your example when I asked you for the names of the Democrats who were yelling at him? If there are Democrats yelling at him, give some examples. Otherwise, I will assume these people are figments of your imagination. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/94 "2024-11-17T19:31:16Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > If you had Democrats saying things like that, why did you use Maura Healey, who didn’t say anything like that, as your example when I asked you for the names of the Democrats who were yelling at him? I _didn’t_, I gave you a whole list and you decided to pick that one to argue about. ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/95 "2024-11-17T19:36:59Z")
I just don’t think that silencing trans activists was going to deliver this election to the Democrats. They could have even went so far as to propose criminalizing trans participation in sports and that wouldn’t have won it. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/96 "2024-11-17T19:40:14Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I gave you a whole list There is exactly one name in your posts on this topic. I am responding to your posts. It’s not my responsibility to try to find things that support your argument in the links that you post. If there is something that supports your argument in that article, post it. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/97 "2024-11-17T19:43:12Z")
Ok buddy. 👍 😄 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/98 "2024-11-17T19:46:13Z")
I didn’t even initially think you were completely wrong about this, but I do now. I asked you for names and I looked into the only name you gave me. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/99 "2024-11-17T19:49:50Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > I asked you for names and I looked into the only name you gave me. Clicking a link or reading what I wrote is really not that difficult, but if you’re struggling: > [@](#): > > A rally has been scheduled for Sunday in Salem, Mass., Mr. Moulton’s hometown, aimed at standing with the transgender community, said Kyle Davis, a Democrat and a Salem city councilor who **has called on the congressman to resign.** > “We’re certainly rejecting the narrative that trans people are to be scapegoated or fear-mongered against,” Mr. Davis said. Emphasis mine. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332/100 "2024-11-17T19:59:53Z")
A search of Moulton’s name plus a bit from his remark (“getting run over”) to weed out general news about him, yields quite a few hits containing terms such as “backlash,” “Moulton gets calls to resign,” and “canceled.” Many are paywalled but I’d be surprised if none of them contained Names. Here’s a non-paywalled example with names of Moulton-critics already mentioned (Maura Healey and Ayanna Pressley), and at least one new one: > [@](#): > > … Massachusetts **Democratic Party chair Steve Kerrigan** told The Boston Globe that Moulton’s comments “do not represent the broad view of our party.” In short, there doesn’t seem to be any lack of evidence that Moulton is the target of Democratic criticism, whether we want to quibble over the term “yelled” or not. > **[Seth Moulton says Dems proving his point after backlash to trans comments](https://www.newsweek.com/seth-moulton-democratic-party-transgender-election-1985768)** > > Massachusetts Representative Seth Moulton has faced some heat since the election about his comments about transgender athletes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-posted-bill-maher-makes-a-good-point-link/1010332.md?page=6)