# Re: Walt Disney Question and frozen hearts **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [July 11, 2005, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-walt-disney-question-and-frozen-hearts/312026 "2005-07-11T17:29:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2005, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-walt-disney-question-and-frozen-hearts/312026/1 "2005-07-11T17:29:45Z")
[Here](http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_331.html), Cecil mentioned that in ten years people were predicting that frozen hearts would be transplanted. Well, it’s been nine years now and I was wondering if that prediction came true. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2005, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-walt-disney-question-and-frozen-hearts/312026/2 "2005-07-11T18:04:03Z")
Actually, it’s been 19 years. But who’s counting? ---
**Author:** ![Thinktank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Thinktank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thinktank)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2005, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-walt-disney-question-and-frozen-hearts/312026/3 "2005-07-11T19:48:28Z")
ok, I can’t find the OP walt disney thread so I’m posting here, sorry if I’m butting in. I just wanted to know the status of a crygenics “patient” when they are frozen. Dead or not dead? ---
**Author:** ![Thinktank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Thinktank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thinktank)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2005, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-walt-disney-question-and-frozen-hearts/312026/4 "2005-07-11T19:49:39Z")
ok, I can’t find the OP walt disney thread so I’m posting here, sorry if I’m butting in. I just wanted to know the status of a cryogenics “patient” when they are frozen. Dead or not dead? ---
**Author:** ![Thinktank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Thinktank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thinktank)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2005, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-walt-disney-question-and-frozen-hearts/312026/5 "2005-07-11T19:50:45Z")
oops :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2005, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-walt-disney-question-and-frozen-hearts/312026/6 "2005-07-11T20:30:58Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > Actually, it’s been 19 years. But who’s counting? :smack: I should know this too, since I was born in 86. ---
**Author:** ![Thinktank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Thinktank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thinktank)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-walt-disney-question-and-frozen-hearts/312026/7 "2005-07-12T00:10:14Z")
Umm…Dead or not dead? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-walt-disney-question-and-frozen-hearts/312026/8 "2005-07-12T00:58:29Z")
Freezing someone who is alive is murder. The authorities frown on that. You’d have to be dead first to by cryogenically frozen. Once you’re dead, the temperature of your corpse is unlikely to affect your legal status. ---
**Author:** ![Thinktank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Thinktank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thinktank)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-walt-disney-question-and-frozen-hearts/312026/9 "2005-07-12T02:42:55Z")
Well, with a written statement and a good lawyer these days who knows, you must admit most of these people are pretty well-off and if they’re dead already what’s the real chance of bringing them back. This process is even stupider than I thought it to begin with…_sigh_ ---
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-walt-disney-question-and-frozen-hearts/312026/10 "2005-07-12T17:10:56Z")
So nobody knows if we’re transplanting frozen hearts? I’m guessing that if no one’s heard of it, we’re not doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-walt-disney-question-and-frozen-hearts/312026/11 "2005-07-12T18:25:23Z")
Wasn’t there a story on NPR a few weeks back about a mammal (I’m remembering that it was a dog, but it may have been a hamster.) (I get them confused often) that had been frozen and then revived? Maybe it’s time for an update to this column, to cover the progress made (or not) in this field over the last nineteen years. ---
**Author:** ![Thinktank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Thinktank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thinktank)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-walt-disney-question-and-frozen-hearts/312026/12 "2005-07-12T20:41:36Z")
Twas a hamster I believe and they basically killed the thing and brought it back in the same session. Not really what’s involved difficulty-wise with a patient that most probably died first and then was transported over to the cryogenics lab and frozen for 50 years. And for it to be a truly viable science, they should have the cryogenics part down to …well, a _science_ as it is a very empty field without the part that involves freezing all sorts of things. The need for maintaining the structural integrity of a biological form, ideally for infinity… until the advances of medical science has caught-up with reversing whatever problem it is a definate plus for the credibility of this field. Medical science shouldn’t have to catch-up with whatever disease some person had and _then_ catch-up with the technology to competently unfreeze them without damaging them in any way. In other words, they should work this out to _begin_ with before naming this field anything, because frozen hearts or not. Any sane person wouldn’t pay what it cost to store their ass so long without science having already worked out how they are going to un-freeze them in order to be treated. …And though you have no God, there is science all around you and plenty faith…