# Re: Welsh Indians **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [September 8, 2006, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-welsh-indians/371902 "2006-09-08T13:08:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Spiff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiff/32/9852_2.png) [@Spiff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiff)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2006, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-welsh-indians/371902/1 "2006-09-08T13:08:41Z")
In this column debunking the [Welsh Indians](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/060908.html) myth, Cecil states: > [@](#): > > … white men had been pooling genes with Mandan women for nearly a century at that point. Was the gene mixing always in that direction? IOW, were there never any Mandan men doing the nasty with white women? ---
**Author:** ![John\_W.Kennedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_w.kennedy/32/1031_2.png) [@John\_W.Kennedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_W.Kennedy)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2006, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-welsh-indians/371902/2 "2006-09-08T15:53:10Z")
[QUOTE=Spiff] In this column debunking the [Welsh Indians](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/060908.html) myth, Cecil states:… white men had been pooling genes with Mandan women for nearly a century at that point.Was the gene mixing always in that direction? IOW, were there never any Mandan men doing the nasty with white women? [/QUOTE] Nowhere near as many during the century in question, when the Dakotas were largely unsettled by whites. ---
**Author:** ![Humble\_Servant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/47e85d/32.png) [@Humble\_Servant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Humble_Servant)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2006, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-welsh-indians/371902/3 "2006-09-08T16:42:21Z")
The legend gets worked into Madeline L’Engle’s _A Swiftly Tilting Planet_. Read it a long time ago, but know that it posits a South American Welsh colony (Vespugia) harboring a bad guy named Mad Dog, and I think it has something to do with Ford Madox (note the kinship to Madoc) Ford (English author known best for _The Good Soldier_). Other than that, I can’t remember shit.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![John\_W.Kennedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_w.kennedy/32/1031_2.png) [@John\_W.Kennedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_W.Kennedy)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2006, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-welsh-indians/371902/4 "2006-09-08T18:33:14Z")
Few today remember the “Tom Quest” series of boys’ adventures by Fran (“The Lone Ranger”) Striker, which employed the Welsh-Mandan legend in at least two volumes. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2006, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-welsh-indians/371902/5 "2006-09-09T03:20:45Z")
[QUOTE=Humble Servant] … a South American Welsh colony (Vespugia) harboring a bad guy named Mad Dog… [/QUOTE] [South American Welsh colonies exist](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_settlement_in_Argentina), but they don’t go back to the 1100’s. ---
**Author:** ![Spiff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiff/32/9852_2.png) [@Spiff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiff)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2006, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-welsh-indians/371902/6 "2006-09-12T13:56:29Z")
[QUOTE=John W. Kennedy] Nowhere near as many during the century in question, when the Dakotas were largely unsettled by whites. [/QUOTE] So … if the area was “largely unsettled by whites,” then that would seem to rule out \*\*any \*\* sexual liasons between whites and Mandans. No white males gittin’ jiggy with Mandan females, and no white women doin’ the horizontal dance with Mandan men. ---
**Author:** ![drhess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/94ad74/32.png) [@drhess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drhess)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2006, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-welsh-indians/371902/7 "2006-09-12T17:21:39Z")
[QUOTE=Tapioca Dextrin] [South American Welsh colonies exist](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_settlement_in_Argentina), but they don’t go back to the 1100’s. [/QUOTE] I like how their shipped was named the Mimosa…after the mixed drink? “Myy starss, Lloydd. Howw didd we gett herre?” ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2006, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-welsh-indians/371902/8 "2006-09-12T17:49:21Z")
[QUOTE=Spiff] So … if the area was “largely unsettled by whites,” then that would seem to rule out \*\*any \*\* sexual liasons between whites and Mandans. No white males gittin’ jiggy with Mandan females, and no white women doin’ the horizontal dance with Mandan men. [/QUOTE] I think “largely unsettled” means that there were probably some men out there (explorers, hunters, trappers, etc.) but few or no women, since that would be more indicative of permanent settlements. WAG. ---
**Author:** ![John\_W.Kennedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_w.kennedy/32/1031_2.png) [@John\_W.Kennedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_W.Kennedy)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2006, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-welsh-indians/371902/9 "2006-09-12T22:18:34Z")
As the young folks say, “Like, duh!” ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-welsh-indians/371902/10 "2006-09-14T01:11:37Z")
Just out of curiousity, has any roadside attraction ever actually advertised a “snakum”: half-snake, half-possum? ---
**Author:** ![Spiff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiff/32/9852_2.png) [@Spiff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiff)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-welsh-indians/371902/11 "2006-09-14T14:59:00Z")
As other young folk say, “Deign to be less obtuse, dude.” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jimbeam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/858c86/32.png) [@jimbeam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimbeam)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/re-welsh-indians/371902/12 "2006-09-14T17:09:11Z")
[QUOTE=John W. Kennedy] As the young folks say, “Like, duh!” [/QUOTE] Do they really say that? BTW What was that crack **Cecil** made about the Vikings implying?