# Reality **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 16, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101 "2011-05-16T16:40:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Rex\_Lex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce7236/32.png) [@Rex\_Lex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rex_Lex)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/41 "2011-05-16T17:41:23Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > So, do you actually want to discuss any of this? That’s the usual reason people post threads on message boards, but to get a discussion going, you’re really going to need to give us more than that to work with. What are your reasons for believing these things? Do you think these things are related to each other? Does believing these things, regardless of whether they’re true or not, somehow make you a better person? Are there similarly-unusual phenomena which don’t have a nice simple label (like, if there are werewolves, are there also wererats? Weremice? Werejellyfish?)? If you don’t want this thread to be composed entirely of people pointing at you and laughing, then give us something else to discuss. The people on this board are very impatient. They want it all…now! But anyway. Here’s more… [![](https://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/giantwithJChan.jpg) ](https://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/giantwithJChan.jpg) This man is well over eight feet. That’s Jackie Chan on the right. [![](https://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/issue45.jpg) ](https://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/issue45.jpg) The skeleton found here in Utah measured over nine feet. ---
**Author:** ![Rex\_Lex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce7236/32.png) [@Rex\_Lex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rex_Lex)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/42 "2011-05-16T17:42:42Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Why didn’t you have an answer ready before you posted your OP? I did. You’re getting them as fast as I can post them…while answering umpteen questions at the same time and take care of office responsibilities at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/43 "2011-05-16T17:43:01Z")
> [@Rex\_Lex](#): > > And you…are going to have to give me time. Be patient. It will become evident by how I reply. I, and likely most other people on this board, aren’t going to waste time with this thread unless you spell out explicitly what you wish to debate. > [@Rex\_Lex](#): > > By the way, both of what you have described exist. Like it or not. If I hadn’t seen such things with my own eyes with witnesses I probably wouldn’t believe in it. Yes, we **know** those people exist. That’s why I said “nobody doubts these people exist” and that there’s no debate. We just don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/44 "2011-05-16T17:45:54Z")
> [@Rex\_Lex](#): > > But you aren’t even giving me time to answer. I have only been on line for a very short while. You had almost an hour since your OP. How long will this take? Most of the responders are waiting for your ‘evidence’ to ridicule you, but even patience for that will wear out before long. ---
**Author:** ![Rex\_Lex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce7236/32.png) [@Rex\_Lex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rex_Lex)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/45 "2011-05-16T17:46:59Z")
People who actually file down their teeth and drink the blood of others. [http://www.feelthebite.com/Clubvampyre.html](http://www.feelthebite.com/Clubvampyre.html) There are such vampire cults in every major city in the USA. It isn’t hard to find them. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/46 "2011-05-16T17:48:00Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > …That’s why I said “nobody doubts these people exist” and that there’s no debate. We just don’t care. And some of us are blocked from photo sharing websites at work and have little idea what you’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/47 "2011-05-16T17:50:19Z")
> [@Rex\_Lex](#): > > You’re getting them as fast as I can post them…while answering umpteen questions at the same time and take care of office responsibilities at the same time. Then stop responding to them all. This is going to be your last chance to keep this thread open: post some evidence that witches, vampires, werewolves, unicorns, or some such exist. People _pretending_ to be the same (like Stevie Nicks in a hood, or people in a vampire club) don’t count. I think that’s a fair offer. Otherwise this thread will be closed. ---
**Author:** ![Rex\_Lex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce7236/32.png) [@Rex\_Lex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rex_Lex)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/48 "2011-05-16T17:54:02Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Then stop responding to them all. > > This is going to be your last chance to keep this thread open: post some evidence that witches, vampires, werewolves, unicorns, or some such exist. People _pretending_ to be the same (like Stevie Nicks in a hood, or people in a vampire club) don’t count. I think that’s a fair offer. Otherwise this thread will be closed. Stop giving me orders and be patient. I am working at it every moment. It is clear that nothing ‘counts’ with you. Stevie Nicks was a spell casting witch and the reason she was in it so long is because she often got results from those spells. So did Sybil Leek, Raymond Buckland, Jamie Stewart Farror and a host of others that you apparently no nothing about. More is coming. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/49 "2011-05-16T17:54:46Z")
> [@Rex\_Lex](#): > > I believe in wicthes, giants, unicorns, vampires, and werewolves, and curses. > > I believe reality is much different than the atheist/agnostic rationalist, Neo-Darwinian mindset tells us that it is. > > I believe in different dimensions beyond the four we can measure. I believe in astral projection (though I do not practice it). I believe in the transformation of matter of objects from one place to another. > > Well, how’s that for starters on this board? How freakin’ “clever”. Witches=people that practice Wicca. Giants=tall people. unicorns=some animal with a horn implanted in the skull. Vampires=some jackasses that have filed their teeth and drink blood. Werewolves=very hairy people. Curses=anyone who declares a curse on someone else, whether it is effective or not. Piss-poor joke over. ---
**Author:** ![Rex\_Lex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce7236/32.png) [@Rex\_Lex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rex_Lex)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/50 "2011-05-16T17:55:07Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > And some of us are blocked from photo sharing websites at work and have little idea what you’re talking about. Sorry about that. I will do the best I can. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/51 "2011-05-16T17:55:47Z")
If you actually had solid proof of pretty much anything supernatural, you’d be better served selling your story to some reputable media outlet. Since you have not apparently done that, I can only conclude that you are…misguided…at best. And I concur with **John Mace** …you aren’t going to be here very long. I’d set the over/under on your tenure here at…12 hours. And I would likely bet the under. ---
**Author:** ![Rex\_Lex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce7236/32.png) [@Rex\_Lex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rex_Lex)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/52 "2011-05-16T17:57:31Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > How freakin’ “clever”. > Witches=people that practice Wicca. > Giants=tall people. > unicorns=some animal with a horn implanted in the skull. > Vampires=some jackasses that have filed their teeth and drink blood. > Werewolves=very hairy people. > Curses=anyone who declares a curse on someone else, whether it is effective or not. > > Piss-poor joke over. Very tall people…much taller than Shaquille O’neal don’t count as giants? Did you know that Jason Aasen was 9’2? Goliath was 9 feet something. People in Wicca do spells and potions with sometimes very real results. Unicorns: I ASKED why the animal I posted did not qualify as a unicorn. YOU did not answer. I think that like many of your persuasion, you don’t want answers. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/53 "2011-05-16T17:58:38Z")
> [@Rex\_Lex](#): > > Stop giving me orders and be patient. **Marley** can’t help it. He is the fucking hall monitor now. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. ---
**Author:** ![Rex\_Lex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce7236/32.png) [@Rex\_Lex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rex_Lex)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/54 "2011-05-16T17:58:44Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > If you actually had solid proof of pretty much anything supernatural, you’d be better served selling your story to some reputable media outlet. Since you have not apparently done that, I can only conclude that you are…misguided…at best. And I concur with **John Mace**..you aren’t going to be here very long. I’d set the over/under on your tenure here at…12 hours. And I would likely bet the under. I have not posted a ‘story’. I posted what I believe about certain things and I am giving evidence to their existence. ---
**Author:** ![Rex\_Lex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce7236/32.png) [@Rex\_Lex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rex_Lex)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/55 "2011-05-16T17:59:51Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > **Marley** can’t help it. He is the fucking hall monitor now. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. I get you. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/56 "2011-05-16T18:02:38Z")
> [@](#): > > Again, let me explain where I am coming from: > > [http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1...Dragondino.jpg](http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1...Dragondino.jpg) > > I see no difference between dinosaurs such as this fossil dug up in Argentina and the ones described and drawn from ancient written history. Except for the flying, fire-breathing, hoarding gold and eating maidens stuff, of course. > [@](#): > > Witches: > > [http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1...tevieNicks.jpg](http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1...tevieNicks.jpg) > > Stevie Nicks. A full blow witch. There are many more I could post. Except for the riding broomsticks, casting spells, eating children stuff, of course. > [@](#): > > Why do i believe in giants? > > Here’s why": > > [http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1...t-wadlow-5.jpg](http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1...t-wadlow-5.jpg) > > Robert Wadlow of Alton, Illinois measured 9’2 at death. Except for the living at the top of a beanstalk, magic harps, smashing villages stuff, of course. > [@](#): > > People who actually file down their teeth and drink the blood of others. > > [http://www.feelthebite.com/Clubvampyre.html](http://www.feelthebite.com/Clubvampyre.html) > > There are such vampire cults in every major city in the USA. > > It isn’t hard to find them. Except for the being undead, destroyed by sunlight, needing blood to survive stuff, of course. Colour me a little less than impressed. Hell, I’m posting from work and I find plenty of time to compose answers… ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/57 "2011-05-16T18:02:57Z")
> [@Rex\_Lex](#): > > People in Wicca do spells and potions with sometimes very real results. That isn’t true. ---
**Author:** ![Rex\_Lex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce7236/32.png) [@Rex\_Lex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rex_Lex)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/58 "2011-05-16T18:06:48Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > If you actually had solid proof of pretty much anything supernatural, you’d be better served selling your story to some reputable media outlet. Since you have not apparently done that, I can only conclude that you are…misguided…at best. And I concur with **John Mace**..you aren’t going to be here very long. I’d set the over/under on your tenure here at…12 hours. And I would likely bet the under. With but few exceptions this is the most unfriendly and impatient board I have ever been on. Good grief.:rolleyes: Here’s more: Do curses and magic really work? Well, there are those who put in many hrs a day doing them because they believe so and some of them see definite results But speaking of magic, take a look at this; [![](https://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/candle.gif) ](https://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/candle.gif) If someone living a hundred yrs ago saw that picture (the flame light moving) they would say “magic”. But what was then ‘magic’ is now our science. A hundred yrs from now magic and science will have merged. ---
**Author:** ![Rex\_Lex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce7236/32.png) [@Rex\_Lex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rex_Lex)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/59 "2011-05-16T18:08:05Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > That isn’t true. Yes, but it is. I’ve seen it …with witnesses. Several of them are with me in this building right now. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2011, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101/60 "2011-05-16T18:09:59Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > **Marley** can’t help it. He is the fucking hall monitor now. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. If this is intended as a moderating critique, take it to ATMB. > [@Rex\_Lex](#): > > Very tall people…much taller than Shaquille O’neal don’t count as giants? Again, the problem is that you’re not defining your terms at all - or else you are inviting everyone to expand the terms until they are so vague as to have no meaning. It’s possible that legends like dragons grew out of people seeing fossils of dinosaurs or lizard skeletons, or that stories about giants were based on people with pituitary disorders (or even elephant skeletons). You’ve posted no evidence for your more fantastic claims (like saying that astral projection is real and spells work). > [@Rex\_Lex](#): > > With but few exceptions this is the most unfriendly and impatient board I have ever been on. I’m not surprised. You should have taken a few minutes to learn about the place you were posting. > [@](#): > > Do curses and magic really work. Well, there are those who put in many hrs a day doing them because they believe so and some of them see definite results Familiarize yourself with the idea of confirmation bias. I’m attempting to be patient here. Post some evidence or I’ll cast a spell on the electrons keeping this thread open. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reality/582101.md?page=4)