# Reasons Civ 3 makes my life miserable. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 4, 2001, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reasons-civ-3-makes-my-life-miserable/96900 "2001-12-04T20:43:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![mske](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mske](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mske)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reasons-civ-3-makes-my-life-miserable/96900/41 "2001-12-06T12:30:02Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Number Six** ;_ > > then the very next turn, **defected** on their own. I’m sorry - it must be before the coffee kicked in. I read this as **defecated** … ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reasons-civ-3-makes-my-life-miserable/96900/42 "2001-12-06T15:43:07Z")
**Corrado** , you’re a dick. I had quit playing this fucking game for some time now but after reading this thread, here I am again…dammit anyway… ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reasons-civ-3-makes-my-life-miserable/96900/43 "2001-12-06T16:48:47Z")
Unless I missed it in **Unix Geek’s** post about the patch (thanks **Unix** ), they didn’t fix coastal fortresses. 'Course, the next question I have is where can I get the patch and how do I use it - I’m not good at much beyond “put the CD in, click Install, then wait a while and play.” Sua ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reasons-civ-3-makes-my-life-miserable/96900/44 "2001-12-06T17:01:34Z")
Well, according to Firaxis, Coastal Fortresses were never broken- they’re just so damned wimpy that most people didn’t notice the effects they had. Patch should be Friday or Saturday, probably available at [civ3.com](http://civ3.com). Also, Number Six- you _do_ know that Democracies are immune to propaganda, right? Finally, > [@](#): > > _originally posted by Xploder_ > Corrado, you’re a dick. That made my morning. Thanks, man. ---
**Author:** ![Unix\_Geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unix_geek/32/19368_2.png) [@Unix\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unix_Geek)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reasons-civ-3-makes-my-life-miserable/96900/45 "2001-12-06T17:21:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SuaSponte \* > \*\* > 'Course, the next question I have is where can I get the patch and how do I use it - I’m not good at much beyond “put the CD in, click Install, then wait a while and play.” > > Sua \*\* Sua, As soon as I get it and get it installed I will post back instructions for you. You will probably have to save it to your desktop, double click it, and wait a while, then play. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reasons-civ-3-makes-my-life-miserable/96900/46 "2001-12-06T17:33:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Corrado \* > \*\*Finally, > > > [@](#): > > > > _originally posted by Xploder_ > > Corrado, you’re a dick. > > That made my morning. Thanks, man. \*\* Any time guy 🙂 Now I’m gonna go play Gruntz because I’m not frustrated enough from Civ III… ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47c2d/32.png) [@Diogenes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2001, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reasons-civ-3-makes-my-life-miserable/96900/47 "2001-12-06T20:43:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*#18: No multiplayer. Multiplayer comes out in three months and will likely cost twenty bucks. And given the level of support given for the game already (patch?), multiplayer will be _all_ you get for your twenty bucks. > \* I agree. There should be multiplayer. But here’s something interesting. While I was browsing the Civ 3 CD, I noticed a .txt file called “jackal.txt”. It has curious things like: ```auto #NET_LOBBY_PASSWORD_QUERY #xs 320 #caption Set password? Yes No #NET_LOBBY_INPUT_PASSWORD #xs 320 #caption Enter session password #NETCONNECT_CREATE #xs 320 #caption Host Multiplayer Game #editbox #itemlist Enter game name: Enter your name: ##Optional password: #NETCONNECT_JOIN #xs 320 #caption Join Multiplayer Game #itemlist Enter your name: #NETCONNECT_NEED_SESSION #xs 320 #caption NOTICE ^^Game name required. Please try again. ``` Interesting, no? It sure looks like on-line gaming script to me. Anyone have any ideas about this? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2001, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reasons-civ-3-makes-my-life-miserable/96900/48 "2001-12-07T01:59:26Z")
#N+1: Lissen up you stupid AI…the “Breed like rabbits” strategy doesn’t make _any_ sense. You are at peace with me. We have been for 3000 years and have a rock solid alliance against the hated Aztecs. So why, pray tell, do you ALWAYS start building cities up against my borders. Cities that ALWAYS fall into rioting because you can’t support them, then build MORE cities inside their borders, further into my territory and so on? There needs to be a setting on the game editor screen controlling fecundity. #N+2: Aluminum shouldn’t be as rare as it is (neither should saltpeter). There (as far as I know) haven’t been wars over Aluminum and/or saltpeter. However, some tweaking in the game editor fixed that. #N+3: Where’s the “patrol” option for soldiers? I’m sick of the hated Aztecs coming in via that tiny patch of land and starting wars. I want to be able to tell a soldier “Hey, dude…walk back and forth from HERE to HERE. Don’t let anyone by” #N+4: Jungles. I _hate_ jungles. And really…despite the fact that I’m not particularly Green-minded…Jungles should produce _something_ and when they’re cut down shouldn’t turn into grassland. IIRC, you get swamps or plains or deserts when you cut down jungles in real life. Luckily, the game editor allows a lot of futzing with stuff like this. #N+5: Rebasing air units is fun and all, but…c’mon. Planes don’t teleport. #N+6: Resources should be proportional to the size of the world, not a fixed amount. IE It seems that resources are LOTS harder to find on a huge world than a tiny one. If the amount of resource tiles were proportional to the number of total tiles this wouldn’t be the case. And it seems to be. #N+7: Hard bargaining is all well and good, but c’mon…10,000, the printing press and electricity for a 1 Spice? The AI is a whole lot fonder of it’s luxuries than I am. They’re nice to have, but not at the dollar amount that the AI wants. Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2001, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reasons-civ-3-makes-my-life-miserable/96900/49 "2001-12-07T02:06:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Atreyu \* > \*\ ***Smeghead** , to use the Intelligence Agency’s functions, you will need to right-click on the city containing the Agency, and select “Condcut Espionage.” This is the only way I’ve found that will work…simply selecting the “E” button from the lower right hand map grid will not work. > > I know, it’s an irritating quirk. \*\* Ah. Well, _that’s_ intuitive! :rolleyes: Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2001, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reasons-civ-3-makes-my-life-miserable/96900/50 "2001-12-07T02:15:42Z")
Thanks John! That did indeed work, and I was able to go back to a saved game and eke out a space victory without being dragged into any Chinese border squabbles. I’m “Scylla the foolish” on Chieftan level. Whee. ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2001, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reasons-civ-3-makes-my-life-miserable/96900/51 "2001-12-07T03:35:37Z")
Corrado, I know that Democracies are immune. The program tells me. What I’m talking about is the few times I get my intelligence agency set up and try to use propaganda against an enemy and get a list of cities. I choose a size 6 city surrounded by three of my 15+ cities, each with all the cultural improvements available at the time (library, university, colleseum, cathedral), each over 1000 culture, and I get the “your attempt at propaganda was unsuccessful” message. Every single time I’ve ever used it in any game. ---
**Author:** ![mblackwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5fc32e/32.png) [@mblackwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mblackwell)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2001, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reasons-civ-3-makes-my-life-miserable/96900/52 "2001-12-07T03:44:50Z")
GRRRRR! I want to try this game, but my POS monitor won’t go over 800x600. ---
**Author:** ![Badtz\_Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e36b37/32.png) [@Badtz\_Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Badtz_Maru)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2001, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reasons-civ-3-makes-my-life-miserable/96900/53 "2001-12-07T05:01:39Z")
I beefed up the Coastal Fortresses by 50% so in the mod I posted about [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=103018). You might want to give it a try, I made a number of changes to enhance the game. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reasons-civ-3-makes-my-life-miserable/96900.md?page=2)