Recommend me an e-bike!

Thanks for the link to the slides! They were exactly the sort of overview I needed. I think the Cruiser/Dutch-style bike (slide 12) is what I’m looking for, for the close-to-home errands I’d be using it for.

The bike shop in Annapolis where I just got my bike serviced last week sells e-bikes, so I’ll talk to them next time I’m up there.

I’d say me + groceries should max out in the 200-225 lb. range (plus the bike weight, which the aforementioned silde says I should expect 50-70 lbs.), so I’ll be asking the bike shop about much juice I need to get up the hill. And a luggage rack is definitely called for.

I knew I could count on my fellow Dopers to fill me in. Thanks, y’all!

Good choice. That looks like everything I would want on an e-bike. Multiple assist levels and a removable battery provides a lot of versatility. After you’ve used it awhile let us know how hard it is to pedal without assist and how far you can go on the different assist levels.

So I got the bike yesterday, assembled it after work, and still had enough time to take it on a good hour+ long test ride. I put it through some paces. Long story short, it was a blast. I was flying on that thing.

First, I had to try out just the throttle (‘scooter’ mode :wink:). On a level stretch of road, it got me up to 20mph in no time. And I’m no lightweight, at north of 200 lbs. these days.

Then I went the complete opposite direction and tried working through the gears with no pedal assist at all. It’s surprisingly easy to ride unassisted, pretty much exactly like a normal bike. I’m used to riding an old Cannondale, which were notoriously heavy bikes, so I’m used to a heavy bike. I did a lift-test with the Cannondale and my e-bike, and the e-bike is heavier, but not by much.

Then I started testing out the 3 assist levels. This is where the reason why I got the bike really paid off. I felt superhuman with the pedal assist-- flying around all over the place effortlessly. I went to one area that is notoriously hilly-- a canal district for an entire neighborhood to access a nearby lake. The side streets have lots of bridges over the canals that are steep hills to give the boats clearance. I did the same route OK a couple weeks ago on my Cannondale, but it was a tough workout. On my e-bike I quickly learned to use the pedal assist like gears, going up to 3 just before a steep hill and back down to 2 and 1 right after. It makes steep hills that used to really kill my legs a breeze.

And of course, like a 12 year old, I had to try to ‘overclock’ the speed a couple times by going to high gear and pedal assist 3 on a slight downhill, and pedaling all-out to see what I topped out at. I was a bit disappointed that I only got up to 24.8 mph, couldn’t quite crack 25, but that’s probably more the fault of my old legs and excess weight than the bike.

The build of the bike seems very sturdy for what I paid for it. Though it’s called a mountain bike I wouldn’t do any serious off-roading with it, but it did just fine on our janky roads around here that are minefields of potholes and badly patched asphalt.

A few minor cons:

The pedal-assist effect has a small delay-- when I’d start pedaling after coasting it would take a couple seconds to kick in, and when I stop pedaling it still propels the bike forward for a second or two before it turns off, which is a bit startling when you’re expecting to slow down immediately. But I had read that when I did my homework, so I expected it. it’s not a big deal, and I quickly got used to it.

The battery is not in a great spot-- it takes up most of the inner frame triangle, so there’s no place for a water bottle holder there. I guess I’ll have to put it on the angled top frame- not ideal but I’ll make do.

I bought a rear rack that didn’t fit the bike, which was disappointing. I tried transferring the rack from my Cannondale, but it didn’t fit either. So it seems that the bike is not designed too well to fit conventional racks, though it has screw mounts for one. Googling didn’t help point me to a rack that would be a better fit. I’m used to carrying stuff in a hard-shell container on a rack, so I need to figure that out. That, along with the lack of an obvious water bottle spot means I can’t carry anything on the bike right now that’s not in my pockets. But I’ll figure that out.

All in all, a ridiculously great deal for what I paid for it. And to those in this thread who said “eh, it’s just a scooter, you won’t get any exercise” all I can say is it’s like any piece of exercise equipment. You can use a treadmill to get in shape, or use it to hang clothes off of. It’s a choice.

Congrats! I was an e-bike naysayer until we had to get one for my wife after a serious accident. She has fully recovered and we do ride our non-powered bikes, but we still ride the e-bikes for shopping and I use mine to commute to work each day. They are a lot of fun!

I think you’ll find an e-bike works quite well in exactly these kinds of situations. I have similar problems, and used the e-bike to solve them.

It really depends on the brand, and the model. Take a look around, and you’ll find some that also sell panniers and baskets as accessories. Traditional bike accessories sometimes don’t fit e-bikes well due to larger frames and tires, but a lot of the manufacturers have custom versions that you can buy. The variety of styles of e-bikes now available make it pretty likely you can find one that fits your needs.

Thanks! Appreciate your advice and encouragement, both in this thread and I’m pretty sure it was also you when I asked questions in someone else’s e-bike thread last year (didn’t take then, but I remembered).

Yeah, @bobsmom101, if you’re still on the fence, see my review post on my new e-bike a couple posts up. They definitely put the fun back in biking.

I pulled the trigger yesterday! And a lot of thanks to the good advice I got from the posters in this thread. I wanted to buy a bike from a local shop so I could return it or have it serviced if needed, which meant higher prices and less selection – it is amazing the variety of very cheap ebikes available on line, but you take your chances.

Anyhow, as mentioned above, I wanted an Aventon Soltera, but the dealer was out of that model, so I test rode a Pace 500.2 instead. It was a slick ride, but the thought of going 28 mph or biking for 40 miles is scary. I rejected that one and then tried the Pace 350.3, which has a smaller battery, lower top speed, shorter range, and is lighter weight. It also is Aventon’s new model which has a torque sensor instead of a speed sensor. On the 500.2 @solost I noticed the hesitation you mention & it didn’t particularly bother me, but the torque sensor smooths it all out. The $1600+ cost was more than I wanted to spend but the stock market has been doing well and I was irrationally exuberant. I rode it up and down some of the major hills around here, and damned if I didn’t feel like I was 12 years old again. As @solost says, the bike is light weight enough to ride normally; with 7 gears I don’t need the assist very often, and when I did it was only at the lowest level.

My very nice Ibera rack and panniers don’t fit the Pace (hub mounted motor means the rear axle is really fat) so I ordered a special rear rack off the Aventon website & will have to explore what cargo system will work with it.

I bought a PHEV Kia Niro a couple of years ago, and it really sold me on electric cars – now I’m all ready to go out and proselytize for ebikes too. Thanks again y’all for the great advice and encouragement, and especially @solost for the OP.

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Not true. A man on a manual bicycle burns about 50 kcal/mi, or 210 kJ/mi.

An efficient full-size EV is rated at about 250 Wh/mi, but at bicycle speeds will get more like 150 Wh/mi. That’s 540 kJ/mi.

But the man is burning food calories, which take 7-10 calories of input to generate one calorie of output. So it’s more like 1500 kJ/mi on the bike vs. 540 for the EV. Even if the man is eating more efficiently than typical, the bike will do worse.

The eBike is of course much better than both since it has the raw efficiency of a bike as well as getting the energy from efficient sources in the first place. Even better if it’s from solar.

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Congrats on your choice— glad you’re enjoying it!

I wish Heybike had more options in the way of custom accessories for their bikes, because as I mentioned upthread I am having trouble finding a rear cargo rack that fits my new e-bike. I may have to end up McGyvering something. Time to order a welding kit?

You are starting your post with stating you disagree with me, then the rest of the post is making my point.
Which one is it?

The eBike is better than the electric car. The manual bicycle is not. It’s efficient in terms of mechanical input, but the conversion of food into mechanical energy is extremely inefficient (especially in terms of CO2).

On a side note, the battery on my new e-bike has a USB port. Kinda cool feature, I thought,but realistically….when am I going to need to charge a phone or something off my bike battery?

Then tonight I’m sitting on my back deck, enjoying an awesome June evening while texting with my two sisters. I notice, aw crap, my phone’s almost dead. Then I remember! :bulb:

As I’m posting now, my phone is being charged by my detached bike battery.

But can you charge the bike battery with your phone? You never know when you might need to travel an extra 400 feet and just can’t pedal that far.

I have a regular rear wheel rack on my e-bike that is perfectly capable of dealing with standard panniers. There are tons of options for standard racks, baskets, etc. that can be installed on an e-bike, just like on a regular bike.

Now you’re just being silly, Dr.Strangelove. And I can pedal just fine without assistance, having road and trail biked for years, thankyouverymuch. I just like a little assistance these days to make my ride more enjoyable, as arthritis and advancing age makes everything a bit more painful.

I am being extremely silly, for the record. If anything, I am poking mild fun at DPRK, who seemed to think that eBikes are just electric scooters. Not my view of them at all.

Another nice aspect to them is that they level the playing field across athletic levels. I have a friend who likes to ride with some others that are at a much higher level than him. He’s still in reasonable shape, just not at their level. So he uses an eBike to make up the difference (particularly on hills) and gets to ride along. Sure, maybe there’s a bit of temptation to overuse the assist, but it’s still better than not riding at all.

Yeah, what I’ve found out about my own experience with my e-bike so far (given just two rides) is it allows me to go further, faster, and still get a great workout,

And like I said before, like a 12 year old, I still try to get the highest speed possible on level 3 assist and high gear on a downslope. I will never stop trying to get a high speed record.

I’m sure that’s true for ebikes with frame‐mounted motors, but if the motor is part of the rear hub it’s too wide for a conventional bike rack (lord knows, I tried to make mine fit).