# Recommendations on a cool heavy-industrial band? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 20, 2001, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127 "2001-07-20T01:19:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/1 "2001-07-20T01:19:08Z")
I’m kinda looking for a new heavy-industrial type band. Let me tell you what I’m looking for and what I like. 1. I love Sepultura’s Roots album. It’s my favorite heavy album. 2. I like hard grooves in the songs, with cool electronic music to support it. 3. I don’t want it to be Satanic. I know that sounds silly, but hey, this is heavy music. I prefer it to just be hard music with normal lyrics. Anyway, let me know what you think. I’m pretty loose on the industrial part. It can, of course, lean toward techno as long as its hard. I don’t know, just recommend me something(not too entirely obscure, if possible. I can’t buy your neighbor’s band’s album). Thanks! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/2 "2001-07-20T01:25:51Z")
Tool, anyone? Or isn’t that industrial enough? ---
**Author:** ![xcheopis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/bc8723/32.png) [@xcheopis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xcheopis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/3 "2001-07-20T01:31:01Z")
Well, in my opinion, anyway. Hmmmm… Sister Machine Gun is good. Is Front 242 industrial or metal? I’d recommend them anyway. For esoteric industrial you could try Einsterzende Neubauten. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a5b964/32.png) [@Bill\_H](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_H)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/4 "2001-07-20T01:37:28Z")
“The Neon Judgement” is cool. They’re from the Front 242 era though, so maybe outdated now. A couple of my fave songs from them, “Kid Shyleen” and “Aweful Day”. You can check out some samples here: [http://houbi.simplenet.com/belpop/groups/neonjudgement.htm](http://houbi.simplenet.com/belpop/groups/neonjudgement.htm) ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/5 "2001-07-20T02:20:50Z")
You might want to try **Ministry** as well as Skinny Puppy. My favorite album is _The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste_, though the rest are really good, too. I second (third?) the **Front 242** suggestion, and also suggest **Front Line Assembly** - especially \* Corroded Disorder, Hard Wired and Millennium\*. If you can only affort one FLA cd- get Millenium. I haven’t really listened to any new music in this genre in a while, but I also liked **Unit 187** (their _Loaded_ cd) and **Insurgent**. Enjoy! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![N\_A\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6de8d8/32.png) [@N\_A\_M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N_A_M)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/6 "2001-07-20T02:30:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by xcheopis \* > \*\*For esoteric industrial you could try Einsterzende Neubauten. \*\* YES! Einstürzende Neubauten rules like no other, although it took me a month to learn how to type their name, and another to learn how to pronounce it (in case you’re curious: eyen-shtoorts-en-duh noy-bow-tun), but I fell in love with them immediately. They’ve been around for 20 years, and they’ve been fresh for the duration. Even if you don’t speak German, you’ll enjoy them (that is, if you share my psychological makeup, musical taste, and love for all things German). In case you don’t share my giddy devotion to them, you could try other bands, like KMFDM (well, now, MDFMK), and Rammstein. I hear Nine Inch Nails are pretty industrial. They were influenced by Neubauten, so it could be so. ---
**Author:** ![eunoia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eunoia/32/97_2.png) [@eunoia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eunoia)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/7 "2001-07-20T03:20:56Z")
And even better, Nivek Ogre (ex-Puppy) has a new project called OHGR that’s freaking me out! 80’s-style EBM with a very hard-edged sound. (Think Ministry’s _Twitch_ with 21st century production values). It may be more techno than industrial, but I’ll tell you more later as I haven’t bought it yet. From what I’ve heard, though, they could become my newest fave band. On the more guitar side of the fence, there’s Disturbed. ---
**Author:** ![eunoia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eunoia/32/97_2.png) [@eunoia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eunoia)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/8 "2001-07-20T03:27:14Z")
[Link to OGHR](http://www.spitfirerecords.com/ohgr.htm) Also NIN has a new version on gary Numan’s “Metal”. The eighties are back and all my synths and axes are in hock! Typical. ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/9 "2001-07-20T03:27:26Z")
Another yup to Neubauten. They did the 9:30 Club’s first-ever show here in DC. For a band that defies classification, and changes radically from release to release, the Butthole Surfers rule; they are probably still my favorite band. Like several already-established bands (notably Suicidal Tendencies on _Join the Army_), the Buttholes befriended Slayer, and their influence is very apparent on _Independent Worm Saloon_. As an added bonus, that album was produced by John Paul Jones. Not the sailor. Give it a go–it’s pretty good, and unlike Slayer, not satanic. Not very industrial, either. Just very, very strange. The reason I bring it up is because when I thought about it, I realized that _every single person_ I know who owns Sepultura’s _Roots_ absolutely loves _Independent Worm Saloon_. I think you will, too. ---
**Author:** ![xcheopis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/bc8723/32.png) [@xcheopis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xcheopis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/10 "2001-07-20T03:39:02Z")
_and I-n-s-u-r-g-e-n-t_. OK, that should be a start for my shopping list when I go to Portland this weekend. I also think that **Machines of Loving Grace** would be a safe bet. And how could I have forgotten **Ministry**? It must be my age showing again! Still on the old stuff: Have we mentioned **Sisters of Mercy?** How about **Caberet Voltaire**? (Which may not be quite metal enough but I just love _Nag, Nag, Nag_.) **N[sup]3[/sup]A[sup]3[/sup]M[sup]3[/sup]**: Ha! Gotcha beat, I already spoke German when I began listening to German industrial music. 🙂 I need to track down some of their CD’s; all my stuff of theirs is on vinyl. _scribbles_ E-i-n-s-t- ---
**Author:** ![askol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@askol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askol)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/11 "2001-07-20T04:00:48Z")
I don’t own it yet, but from the looks of things, you would definetly like _Pure_ by Gary Numan. I don’t know anything about Numan’s other works, but this one came out in 1999, and is 100% whoop ass. As for KMFDM, if you’re not sure what you want, check out NIHIL, XTORT, or RETRO. RETRO is sort of a ‘best of’ that is like a KMFDM time machine, with a good mix of their newer and earlier material. And KMFDM’s last album, ADIOS, has more of a techno-ish vibe then their other CD’s. Wheras the _MDFMK_ EP by KMFDM (not to be confused with the \*MDFMK[/] album by MDFMK) has a **very** techno-ish feel, was released after ADIOS, and is also highly recomended. As for Nine Inch Nails, I highly recomend them, but on entirely different criterea than the ones posted above. While Trent Reznor (the man behind the name) has produced some excellent ‘industrial’ tracks, I don’t usually consider NIN an industrial label. In addition, the NIN ‘sound’ has varied greatly over the years. If the first album, _Pretty Hate Machine_ isn’t to your tastes, then the _Broken_\* or _Fixed_ EPs might be. And the second album, _The Downward Spiral_ is, again, a completly different beast. Find a friend with these releases(_The Donward Spiral_ is in many collections), and figure out what you like. I ignored NIN’s newest release, _The Fragile_, not because I dislike it(I love it), but because I’m hesitent in recommending itto the uninitiated. Happy listening! askol ---
**Author:** ![askol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@askol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askol)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/12 "2001-07-20T04:02:02Z")
I thought I hit the preview button! Really, I did! askol ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/13 "2001-07-20T05:09:05Z")
Well I have here in my hand “Industrial Strength Machine Music- the Framework of Industrial Rock 1978-1995” Which has- Throbbing Gristle Cabaret Voltaire (yes, Nag, Nag, Nag) Non Test Department E. Nueubauten Scrapping Foetus off the Wheel (my personal favorite although he hates to be called industrial.) Skinny Puppy Front 242 Clock DVA Meat Beat Manifesto Ministry KMFDM My Life With the Thrill Kill Cult Revolting Cocks (covering Olivia Newton John!) and NIN. If you can find it, it’s a great CD, plus a good way to find out what you want to buy more of. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/14 "2001-07-20T05:56:26Z")
Another one for **Neubauten**. **Meat Beat Manifesto** and **Throbbing Gristle** were good, too, as already mentioned. Also a little-known band called **Consolidated** - don’t know if they’re still around - although they can get kinda political/preachy. For real industrial, though, may I recommend **Lou Reed’s** _Metal Machine Music_? Sure, it hasn’t got much in the way of grooves, but it’s definitely not Satanic, either. In fact, it hasn’t got any lyrics at all! Just 64 minutes of screeching, scraping feedback. Perfect. ---
**Author:** ![HalberMensch242](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ecb155/32.png) [@HalberMensch242](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HalberMensch242)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/15 "2001-07-20T05:58:46Z")
Ok…i’m assuming you’d like your electronics with metal guitars. If this is correct here are some bands you’d wanna check out: Samael(their new cd…i forget the name) Front Line Assembly(Hard Wired and Millenium albums only) Laibach(mostly the latter period stuff) Kmfdm…although i’m not a fan…you’d probably like em Ministry(Twitch through Psalm 69 era) Neubauten(Halber Mensch and Haus de Luge) oh…and of course Puppy(The Process, Rabies and Too Dark Park should suite you) and the ogre’s project Ohgr. ps:Why in god’s name would someone call 242 metal?! ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a5b964/32.png) [@Bill\_H](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_H)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/16 "2001-07-20T06:55:21Z")
Is it just me? I could never stand the Butthole Surfers until I heard Jesus Built My Hotrod by Ministry. Just me? Ok, sorry. NIN is way pop anymore, but when I first heard Pretty Hate Machine I swear I’d never heard anything like it, it was so revolutionary. It’s funny, on that album I can only think of one use of the F-word, and that’s in a slow love song (well, as close to a love song as Trent could manage). “Just a fading f-ing reminder of who I used to be, come on tell me: you make this all go away”. Strangely, I found that album to be more powerful as a result. ---
**Author:** ![blur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dbc845/32.png) [@blur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blur)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/17 "2001-07-20T12:48:15Z")
**Bile** is a pretty good metal/industrial band. They haven’t put out an album in a few years, but they have started touring again, and their new album, which is due out soon, was produced by one of the guys from KMFDM. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2001, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/18 "2001-07-21T01:38:21Z")
The Meat Beat Manifesto is considered industrial? The only song I know by them is on the Depeshe Mode tribute cd, and that song barely sounds alternative…guess it’s showing their softer side. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2001, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/19 "2001-07-21T02:03:46Z")
I give up, it’s too hard to catogorize bands. I didn’t make any suggestions of my own since I didn’t think I liked any besides tool and NIN, but according to yahoo’s listings I like several: Econoline crush; God Lives Under Water; Gravity Kills; Pitch Shifter; Rammstien and VAST. At what point does a band get considered Industrial rather than Alternative or Hardcore? Take At The Drive-in for example, what would you label it? ---
**Author:** ![eunoia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eunoia/32/97_2.png) [@eunoia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eunoia)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2001, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127/20 "2001-07-21T03:50:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elfkin477 \* > \*\*At what point does a band get considered Industrial rather than Alternative or Hardcore? Take At The Drive-in for example, what would you label it? \*\* That’s probably a thread in itself. You can see from the variety of responses in this thread that definitions vary greatly. **woody** mentions _Metal Machine Music_ which is ambient-industrial-type stuff and **betenoir** mentions Throbbing Gristle which is classic “industrial”. That’s what I’d call industrial. Probably not what **Malahoth** is looking for, though. My theory about “alternative” is that is comes from Echo and The Bunnymen’s _The Cutter_, the timing’s about right. Feel free to disagree, or nominate me for the Nobel Prize for History. It has applied to any band with a funny name; basically a bullshit nomenclature. My theory about “hardcore” is even more potentially insulting to people who define themselves/their music with it. From the OP’s mention of Sepultura’s _Roots_ (world beat-metal fusion?), I didn’t think **Malahoth** wanted my views about old SPK vs. later SPK. Probably even less so now. My guess is they’re just looking for something hard but musical, not necessarily with samples of industrial machines. Hence, Prong (industrial-metal?) is just as good a suggestion as Prodigy (techno-industrial?). Please continue, I’m also doing some scribbling. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recommendations-on-a-cool-heavy-industrial-band/73127.md?page=2)