# Recreational Outrage Time: Texas Jailers Run A Rape Camp **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 17, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189 "2013-06-17T16:00:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/1 "2013-06-17T16:00:05Z")
Apparently, [a county jail in Live Oak County, Texas, was a rape camp](http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/06/17/58555.htm), where female inmates were repeatedly harassed, fondled, raped and forced to perform sex acts on each other for the amusement of jailers. A lawsuit by two female inmates made the allegations, and three guards were arrested, two of whom are in jail and one of whom was not. (Kind of surprising, I didn’t think the American legal system arrested perpetrators any more, at least when they are rich and powerful or part of the legal system … then again, these were very low-level people in the legal system.) The story I linked to details the way the women were treated, but there’s another detail that adds a really fine ironic twist to the story: one of the women was arrested on a marijuana possession charge. Yes, in Texas, for one woman and probably many more, the penalty for smoking pot was serial rape. I’ve never been one to mock a convicted scumbag by saying what a good thing it would be if he were raped while in prison, because I don’t think rape should be part of our legal system. But damn … if anyone EVER deserved it … these guards do. (They don’t deserve it, nobody does, that’s why they are and should be in prison. Still, I wouldn’t shed a tear for them if I found out they were.) ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/2 "2013-06-17T16:23:28Z")
That prison rape is deemed routine in the USA is beyond horrible. It degrades our country. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/3 "2013-06-17T16:54:11Z")
Poster name/topic WIN! ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/4 "2013-06-17T17:26:25Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > I’ve never been one to mock a convicted scumbag by saying what a good thing it would be if he were raped while in prison, because I don’t think rape should be part of our legal system. But damn … if anyone EVER deserved it … these guards do. (They don’t deserve it, nobody does, that’s why they are and should be in prison. Still, I wouldn’t shed a tear for them if I found out they were.) Despite your protestations, the irony meter is pinging something fierce. This is horrible, but every person who condones/turns a blind eye to horrible behavior against “people who really deserve it,” helps pave the way for this kind of thing. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/5 "2013-06-17T17:37:59Z")
It seems unfortunate that inmates of Live Oak County Jail are denied their 2nd Amendment rights. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/6 "2013-06-17T17:45:53Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Yes, in Texas, for one woman and probably many more, the penalty for smoking pot was serial rape. No it wasn’t. > [@septimus](#): > > It seems unfortunate that inmates of Live Oak County Jail are denied their 2nd Amendment rights. No it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/7 "2013-06-17T17:52:03Z")
All we ever did was go canoeing and make lanyards and stuff. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/8 "2013-06-17T17:52:54Z")
First off, before anyone gets their panties in a wad, the county and guards are being sued. Nobody’s been found guilty yet, so it’s all supposition at this point, that is unless we’ve just given up on due process, and since it’s a lurid accusation of people in Texas, we’re just assuming it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/9 "2013-06-17T17:53:51Z")
OK, I guess that settles \*that \*then, **DS**. :rolleyes: The linked article says the pot charge was actually _dropped_, btw. And the outrage here isn’t recreational, or shouldn’t be - it should be real, assuming the facts are anything like the allegations. There was a system in place there for an extended period that people in that jail knew about, and by their inaction _accepted_. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/10 "2013-06-17T18:04:45Z")
> [@bump](#): > > First off, before anyone gets their panties in a wad, the county and guards are being sued. Nobody’s been found guilty yet, so it’s all supposition at this point, that is unless we’ve just given up on due process, and since it’s a lurid accusation of people in Texas, we’re just assuming it’s true. Hmm. I wrote that they were jailed because the text read: > [@](#): > > All three guards were arrested in August 2010 and charged with sexual assault, the Beeville Bee-Picayune reported at the time. The newspaper did not identify the victims. > Smith and Aguilar are in Texas state prisons today, according to the complaint, which says defendant Charles is living in Bee County. I assumed that Smith and Aguilar were inmates in Texas state prisons, given that the paragraph immediately followed the paragraph about them being charged. But iit could be that they are working in Texas state prisons. Would have been nice if that point had been made clearer. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/11 "2013-06-17T18:05:58Z")
> [@bump](#): > > First off, before anyone gets their panties in a wad, the county and guards are being sued. Nobody’s been found guilty yet, so it’s all supposition at this point, that is unless we’ve just given up on due process, and since it’s a lurid accusation of people in Texas, we’re just assuming it’s true. As a recovering Texan, I understand your anger. Often felt the same way myself. Like when I read about the lawyer who fell asleep at his clients capital murder trial, I thought the same thing, well, its Texas, so everybody assumes the worst. Turns out it was true. Then I read that the case went to a higher court, and thought, well, good, they’ll reverse that mistake, and give the guy at least a fair trial. Nope, they upheld the conviction. And other examples too numerous to mention. So, yeah, at this point in time…I do pretty much assume the charges have merit. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/12 "2013-06-17T18:20:41Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > OK, I guess that settles \*that \*then, **DS**. :rolleyes: > > The linked article says the pot charge was actually _dropped_, btw. > > And the outrage here isn’t recreational, or shouldn’t be - it should be real, assuming the facts are anything like the allegations. There was a system in place there for an extended period that people in that jail knew about, and by their inaction _accepted_. The reason I called it recreational outrage is that no one could possibly be on the sides of the guards, if the allegations are true. So far as I know, no one defends such conduct. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/13 "2013-06-17T18:32:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > As a recovering Texan, I understand your anger. Often felt the same way myself. Like when I read about the lawyer who fell asleep at his clients capital murder trial, I thought the same thing, well, its Texas, so everybody assumes the worst. Turns out it was true. Then I read that the case went to a higher court, and thought, well, good, they’ll reverse that mistake, and give the guy at least a fair trial. Nope, they upheld the conviction. > > And other examples too numerous to mention. So, yeah, at this point in time…I do pretty much assume the charges have merit. Sadly, elucidator, it’s happened three times. That we know of. [In Houston, Texas alone.](http://www.nodeathpenalty.org/new_abolitionist/november-1998-issue-5/politics-execution) To be fair, I remember reading about a Georgia defense attorney sleeping a lot during a murder trial, I believe one of those Jim Crow-era lynching/trials we used to have, but I can’t find a cite for it. While I was looking, the one for the Houston sleepers popped right up. You’re welcome! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/14 "2013-06-17T21:13:58Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > The reason I called it recreational outrage is that no one could possibly be on the sides of the guards, if the allegations are true. So far as I know, no one defends such conduct. Ah, okay - I’m used to “recreational” outrage meaning “manufactured or feigned”. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/15 "2013-06-17T21:18:03Z")
I saw this episode of _Charlie’s Angels_. First season, with Farrah! ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/16 "2013-06-17T21:44:42Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > Despite your protestations, the irony meter is pinging something fierce. > > This is horrible, but every person who condones/turns a blind eye to horrible behavior against “people who really deserve it,” helps pave the way for this kind of thing. True dat. But regardless of the rape angle, I shouldn’t expect former C.O.s to ever have a nice time on the other side of the bars. And I can’t really say I’m shedding tears about it - abuse of a power entrusted to you by society is among the worse crimes there is, IMO. [QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] All we ever did was go canoeing and make lanyards and stuff. ☹ [/QUOTE] I know, right ? 🙂 [QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Ah, okay - I’m used to “recreational” outrage meaning “manufactured or feigned”. [/QUOTE] I’ve always understood it as “This is something that doesn’t affect me in any way, shape or form, but I heard about it and now I’m pissed off all the same”. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/17 "2013-06-17T21:51:14Z")
And it took THREE YEARS to get into the news? 😕 When I saw the date on the article, I wondered if it was one of those troll-revived threads. It wouldn’t surprise me if Joe Arpaio’s doing this in Arizona. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/18 "2013-06-17T22:07:42Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > That prison rape is deemed routine in the USA is beyond horrible. It degrades our country. Is it really any different in other countries? ---
**Author:** ![toofs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4491bb/32.png) [@toofs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toofs)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/19 "2013-06-17T22:08:01Z")
Is it rape month? I missed the memo! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/20 "2013-06-17T22:11:10Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > It wouldn’t surprise me if Joe Arpaio’s doing this in Arizona. :mad: It would surprise me. The way he draws the spotlight, I’m sure it would have come out by now. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189.md?page=2)