# Recreational Outrage Time: Texas Jailers Run A Rape Camp **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 17, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189 "2013-06-17T16:00:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/41 "2013-06-18T18:01:55Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Yeah, sure, right. Because there’s no abuse of power involved in guards having sex with inmates. In many states guards having sex with inmates is considered defacto rape. I’m betting in Texas, it’s not considered rape, because, you know … Texas. But most reasonable people would say that the power relationship between guards and inmates is such that there’s a presumption of rape in any guard/prisoner sex. Which is why it is illegal. > [@babygoat666](#): > > Why did you put the most laughably unrealistic scenario as (1)? Because it happens with alarming frequency (not necessarily the suing part but the sex with inmates). And not always with male [guards](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57581237/four-female-prison-guards-impregnated-by-same-inmate/). ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/42 "2013-06-18T18:59:04Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Yeah, sure, right. Because there’s no abuse of power involved in guards having sex with inmates. In many states guards having sex with inmates is considered defacto rape. I’m betting in Texas, it’s not considered rape, because, you know … Texas. But most reasonable people would say that the power relationship between guards and inmates is such that there’s a presumption of rape in any guard/prisoner sex. Who said there’s no abuse of power? That’s why it’s a crime in the firist place. It’s in the penal ode under “Penal Code Title 8. Offenses Against Public Administration, Chapter 39: Abuse of Office.” It’s a crime and it’s wrong, but it’s not the same thing as forcible sexual assault. The distinction is crucial to their federal case. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/43 "2013-06-18T19:21:29Z")
> [@babygoat666](#): > > Why did you put the most laughably unrealistic scenario as (1)? It’s not unrealistic in the slightest; sex between guards and inmates happens all of the time in every state in the union, some of which are not even Texas. It’s wrong because it’s an abuse of the disparate power between staff and offenders, but it’s also a security problem because it opens the guard up to extortion, e.g. “I know you’re having sex with offender Jones, so smuggle this dope in for me or I’ll get you fired, and by the way you shouldn’t have told him that you live at 12 Green street because now I know too.” Prison guards lose their jobs for inappropriate relationships with offenders all the time; I can think of at least two I know off of the top of my head who got fired, subsequently married the offender and started a campaign for his release. If the guards had been convicted of sexual assault I wouldn’t even have considered consensual sex with inmates as a possibility, but they weren’t. For the record, I do think it’s a distinct possibilty that the guards did in fact sexually assault these women, and that the prosecutor had problems of proof and witness credibility and allowed the gueards to plead on a lesser crime to avoid the possibility of them being acquitted altogether. I don’t know that for a fact, though, and can’t assume it based on the news. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/44 "2013-06-18T23:06:44Z")
> [@toofs](#): > > Is it rape month? I missed the memo! Ha ha, that’s funny because it’s so fresh and biting, and I’ve never read it before. oh, wait, nevermind … ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/45 "2013-06-19T18:11:59Z")
Back in the 70s you could offer rape camps for school kids, but the world is so litigious these days … ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2013, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/46 "2013-06-19T22:13:32Z")
> [@pravnik](#): > > It’s not unrealistic in the slightest; sex between guards and inmates happens all of the time in every state in the union, some of which are not even Texas. It’s wrong because it’s an abuse of the disparate power between staff and offenders, but it’s also a security problem because it opens the guard up to extortion, e.g. “I know you’re having sex with offender Jones, so smuggle this dope in for me or I’ll get you fired, and by the way you shouldn’t have told him that you live at 12 Green street because now I know too.” Prison guards lose their jobs for inappropriate relationships with offenders all the time; I can think of at least two I know off of the top of my head who got fired, subsequently married the offender and started a campaign for his release. On another forum discussing this news story, someone brought up an [interesting example](http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-04-23/local/38756337_1_black-guerilla-family-bgf-state-prison) of that sort of thing. > [@](#): > > More than a dozen Maryland state prison guards helped a dangerous national gang operate a drug-trafficking and money-laundering scheme from behind bars that involved cash payments, sex and access to fancy cars, federal prosecutors said Tuesday. > > Thirteen female corrections officers essentially handed over control of a Baltimore jail to gang leaders, prosecutors said. The officers were charged Tuesday in a federal racketeering indictment. > > The indictment described a jailhouse seemingly out of control. Four corrections officers became pregnant by one inmate. Two of them got tattoos of the inmate’s first name, Tavon — one on her neck, the other on a wrist. > [@pravnik](#): > > If the guards had been convicted of sexual assault I wouldn’t even have considered consensual sex with inmates as a possibility, but they weren’t. For the record, I do think it’s a distinct possibilty that the guards did in fact sexually assault these women, and that the prosecutor had problems of proof and witness credibility and allowed the gueards to plead on a lesser crime to avoid the possibility of them being acquitted altogether. In _Texas?_ I’m more surprised that they were punished at all. And that the inmates making the accusations didn’t all suffer “fatal accidents”. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2013, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/47 "2013-06-19T22:54:21Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Back in the 70s you could offer rape camps for school kids, but the world is so litigious these days … And I went to **bio** camp . . . ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2013, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/48 "2013-06-20T01:08:26Z")
One day at rape camp, I didn’t stick anything up my pussy. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2013, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/49 "2013-06-20T07:18:37Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Is it really any different in other countries? The assumption definitely is different. The reality shouldn’t be; rape should be unacceptable, period. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2013, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/50 "2013-06-20T12:14:58Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > The assumption definitely is different. The reality shouldn’t be; rape should be unacceptable, period. What do you mean “the assumption is different”? That in other countries it’s not assumed that inmates will be raped? ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2013, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/51 "2013-06-20T17:13:11Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > One day at rape camp, I didn’t stick anything up my pussy. I’d like to shake your hand. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2013, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/52 "2013-06-20T19:18:19Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > On another forum discussing this news story, someone brought up an [interesting example](http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-04-23/local/38756337_1_black-guerilla-family-bgf-state-prison) of that sort of thing. > > > [@](#): > > > > More than a dozen Maryland state prison guards helped a dangerous national gang operate a drug-trafficking and money-laundering scheme from behind bars that involved cash payments, sex and access to fancy cars, federal prosecutors said Tuesday. > > > > Thirteen female corrections officers essentially handed over control of a Baltimore jail to gang leaders, prosecutors said. The officers were charged Tuesday in a federal racketeering indictment. > > > > The indictment described a jailhouse seemingly out of control. Four corrections officers became pregnant by one inmate. Two of them got tattoos of the inmate’s first name, Tavon — one on her neck, the other on a wrist. Dumb and hopelessly naive question, but aside from the racketeering thing, any of these guards get prosecuted for rape? What with the power imbalance making it impossible for prisoners to consent and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2013, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/53 "2013-06-20T19:26:15Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Yes, in Texas, for one woman and probably many more, the penalty for smoking pot was serial rape. So, your outrage is not against the concept of a rape camp in general, your outrage is against Texas? One would think that people would be outraged by this regardless of where it happened. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2013, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/54 "2013-06-20T19:47:23Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I’d like to shake your hand. Even knowing where it’s been? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/55 "2013-06-21T00:52:21Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Dumb and hopelessly naive question, but aside from the racketeering thing, any of these guards get prosecuted for rape? What with the power imbalance making it impossible for prisoners to consent and all that. That could depend on whether the “person in a position of keeping custody” circumstance of the crime under the law is construed in such a manner that it does or does not necessarily remove _per se_ the capacity for consent; it could be that depending on the facts and construction of the law, the person in the subordinate position may be found able to willingly initiate the liaison, and the person in the oversight position would then incur in forbidden “unlawful sexual conduct” but not “aggravated sexual battery”. No idea what’s the status of that in Maryland or in the Federal jurisdiction. Law Dopers? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/56 "2013-06-21T03:07:00Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > So, your outrage is not against the concept of a rape camp in general, your outrage is against Texas? > > One would think that people would be outraged by this regardless of where it happened. No, my point was only that, if the allegations are true, this poor woman got busted for pot and wound up getting repeatedly raped and molested at the rape camp. I don’t KNOW of anyone else who’s been serially raped after being busted for pot … it DO seem a bit harsh. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/57 "2013-06-21T05:24:49Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > … it DO seem a bit harsh. What’chu talkin’ 'bout, Willis? ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/58 "2013-06-21T06:09:50Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > So, your outrage is not against the concept of a rape camp in general, your outrage is against Texas? > > One would think that people would be outraged by this regardless of where it happened. Fuck you’re a moron. How the hell do you manage to navigate your web browser? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/59 "2013-06-21T19:07:25Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > Fuck you’re a moron. How the hell do you manage to navigate your web browser? I’m a moron for being outraged at the existence of this place, regardless of the location? Shows where your fucked-up priorities lie. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189/60 "2013-06-21T19:10:13Z")
Now we aren’t allowed to mention Texas when shit happens in Texas?? Holy hell, I thought conservatives were _against_ politically correct language policing! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/recreational-outrage-time-texas-jailers-run-a-rape-camp/661189.md?page=4)