# Red Rover, Red Rover, send Rand Rover over **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 25, 2009, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739 "2009-03-25T15:22:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/301 "2009-03-27T02:19:54Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Wow Jodi. I actually thought you were one of the smarter ones here. Guess not. At this rate, the only smart one here is going to be yourself. Why does this not surprise me? I mean, sheesh! **Bricker** ’s not smart. **Jodi** ’s not smart. Many other posters are not smart. Dude, perhaps you should rent a brain cell. I should think that doubling your thinking capacity can only help. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/302 "2009-03-27T02:21:15Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Wow Jodi. I actually thought you were one of the smarter ones here. Guess not. That makes at least twice in this thread where someone you thought of as “one of the smarter ones” proved to be an idiot because they got the wrong impression about you. I wonder how many more it’d take before you started to consider if maybe it really is you that’s the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/303 "2009-03-27T02:30:55Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Wow Jodi. I actually thought you were one of the smarter ones here. Guess not. They just let me hang around the club house because they think it’s funny to hide my helmet and watch me cry. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/304 "2009-03-27T02:31:19Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > At this rate, the only smart one here is going to be yourself. Why does this not surprise me? > > I mean, sheesh! **Bricker** ’s not smart. **Jodi** ’s not smart. Many other posters are not smart. Dude, perhaps you should rent a brain cell. I should think that doubling your thinking capacity can only help. I musta missed this one. I disagree with a great deal Bricker has to say, but to suggest that the guy is only of average intelligence and not at least two or three standard deviations from the mean smarter than your average citizen is just willful ignorance. That, and he is not usually a fool (the I won’t endorse Obama 'cuz of his followers debacle aside). Well, one man’s obscenity is another’s lyric and all that I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/305 "2009-03-27T02:44:59Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Been fending off lots of barbs and arrows. > > Hey Bricker, now that I’ve explained myself, are you going to withdraw or modify the charges in the OP? No, because you have not addressed the charges made in the OP, and I have chosen to not press because there’s been plenty of other traffic for you to answer. I’d be willing to take the discussion to e-mail or PM to avoid the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/306 "2009-03-27T02:54:11Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I’d be willing to take the discussion to e-mail or PM to avoid the problem. Frankly, **Bricker** would you have done the same for **Beryl Mooncalf**? **Rand Rover** is very obviously not overwhelmed, and is not attempting to seriously answer a multitude (as you’ve done in many threads), he is cherry-picking his answers according to who he believes he can best respond to in a trollish fashion. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/307 "2009-03-27T02:54:56Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, because you have not addressed the charges made in the OP, and I have chosen to not press because there’s been plenty of other traffic for you to answer. > > I’d be willing to take the discussion to e-mail or PM to avoid the problem. I’m not sure what in the OP you think I haven’t addressed, but PM me if you want. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/308 "2009-03-27T02:57:12Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > No, YOU don’t understand what should elicit (not illicit–that does not mean what you think it means) empathy or sympathy. That is not the same as a difference of opinion. “Should elicit” means conventionally accepted here–out in the world, people have generally accepted standards of considerate behavior, but these remain a mystery to you. This is ridiculous. Let’s say a survey is done. A situation is presented to 1000 people, and they are asked whether the situation should elicit empathy or sympathy. 51% of them say yes. Are you telling me that the other 49% necessarily have something wrong with their brains? What if 75% say yes? Do the other 25% necessarily have something wrong with their brains? What if 99% say yes? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/309 "2009-03-27T02:59:02Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Frankly, **Bricker** would you have done the same for **Beryl Mooncalf**? **Rand Rover** is very obviously not overwhelmed, and is not attempting to seriously answer a multitude (as you’ve done in many threads), he is cherry-picking his answers according to who he believes he can best respond to in a trollish fashion. It’s twoo!! It’s twoo!! No, wait, it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/310 "2009-03-27T03:00:15Z")
This is a seven page thread about how **Rand Rover** allegedly lacks compassion and empathy in the Pit. Come again? Even the recently (2/24/09) Revised Forum Rules for BBQ Pit state: > [@](#): > > Rants should be suitable for the Pit > > Lastly, rants about personal trauma that are expected to generate **mostly supportive, sympathetic** responses will likely be moved to MPSIMS. This is not a commentary on the seriousness of said life events, merely on the best forum for that type of thread. If posters want sympathy, why not save everyone’s eyes, and troubling the Mods to move threads, etc., and just post that sympathy-seeking crap in MPSIMS? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/311 "2009-03-27T03:01:40Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > It’s twoo!! It’s twoo!! No, wait, it’s not. So, prove it. Answer **Bricker** and answer me. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/312 "2009-03-27T03:04:36Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > So, prove it. Answer **Bricker** and answer me. I’m happy to answer whatever questions Bricker has. What questions do you have? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/313 "2009-03-27T03:06:02Z")
Do not, under any circumstance, allow **Rand Rover** and \*\*Carol Stream \*\*to meet. However unlikely, we can’t afford to take such a chance… ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/314 "2009-03-27T03:07:27Z")
Oh look. Rover has **Carol Stream** on his side; one of the smart ones! ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/315 "2009-03-27T03:36:18Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > This is a seven page thread about how **Rand Rover** allegedly lacks compassion and empathy in the Pit… > … > If posters want sympathy, why not save everyone’s eyes, and troubling the Mods to move threads, etc., and just post that sympathy-seeking crap in MPSIMS? **Carol** , have you read the thread referred to in the OP? ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/316 "2009-03-27T03:36:56Z")
Who knows or cares whether Rover is compassionless? He is not who he presents himself to be here. That facade is too important to him. If he were who he says that he is, that wouldn’t be important. Respect wouldn’t be important. He’s insecure, immature, and desperate. Even if he had been an attorney, he would have been _so_ in violation of Ethics Codes just from what he has written here, that he would be out on his patootie. Would you really want this man for an attorney? Neither would anyone else. Do you think his attitude doesn’t show in his day-to-day dealings with the people he associates with? Of course it does. He’s either the silent angry type or the obnoxious angry type. Either way, he’s not the guy you want to share a cubicle with at the insurance company. But he is the guy you can point to when you get banned and say, “How come I got banned for being a jerk and he didn’t?” ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/317 "2009-03-27T03:37:24Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > What questions do you have? Post #295. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/318 "2009-03-27T03:40:23Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Even if he had been an attorney, he would have been _so_ in violation of Ethics Codes just from what he has written here, that he would be out on his patootie. :rolleyes: Cite, please? ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/319 "2009-03-27T03:48:18Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > **Carol** , have you read the thread referred to in the OP? I have, and your point is what? That the OP of said thread wasn’t seeking sympathy for him/herself, yeah, but that’s just RO, which is even worse, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2009, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739/320 "2009-03-27T03:50:46Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > You keep repeating that she should have had a reasonable expectation that her landlord might not pay his mortgage on the property, and that she should have made certain that part of her rent was going to the mortgage. I assure you, this is not a reasonable expectation. I’m not really saying that. I’m saying that when one rents property, then there are all sorts of reasonably foreseeable scenarios that involve the person not being able to live there any more. A sale of the property is one of them. A foreclosure is just a forced sale of the property to the bank. > [@](#): > > Nor can it be allowed for. A renter simply will not be allowed to pay their rent to the mortgage owner. It won’t happen because it’s not a reasonable expectation of renting. Again, that was just one example of the many things this lady could have done to increase her ability to live in that house for as long as possible. I realize it would be an odd thing to do. > [@](#): > > Having one’s rented residence sold is not a rarity; it’s quite common. That’s happened to me a few times. Leases are transferred. Part of the purchasing is inheriting the leases. But that doesn’t have to occur. The new owner can also evict the tenant (giving whatever notice is required by law). > [@](#): > > Having one’s leased residence foreclosed on, having one’s leased residence sold, and having the lease on one’s leased residence end are completely different and distinct situations, each with their own and different level of reasonable expectations. I hope that if you stop and think about that, you’ll be able to see the difference. Sure there are differences, but for the purpose I’m concerned about they are all the same–they are ways that a lessee becomes dispossessed of the property. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-rover-red-rover-send-rand-rover-over/490739.md?page=17)