# Red Sox fans - a poll. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 7, 2004, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089 "2004-10-07T20:31:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ol\_Gaffer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Ol\_Gaffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ol_Gaffer)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/1 "2004-10-07T20:31:55Z")
So much of the Red Sox frustration is wrapped up and centered on their history with the Yankees. It sometimes seems like the World Series is secondary and beating the Yankees is the team’s primary motivation. With that in mind, I pose the following scenarios. **Scenario 1** : The Yankees and Sox meet for the ALCS. Series is really dramatic, sterling play by both teams. Home team wins every game. Game 7 is in NY. Mussina vs. Pedro. Both pitchers pitch brilliantly. Manny hits a solo shot in the top of the 9th. Pedro comes back out for the for the bottom half, faces Jeter, A-Rod and Sheffield and strikes out the side Sox win 1-0 (or something equally dramatic). However, they lose the Series in five games to St. Louis. **Scenario 2** : Sox roll to the Series beating Anaheim and the Twins (who beat the Yankees in the Divisional Series). They then beat St. Louis in five games to win the Series. My question then is…as a fan would you rather see your boys cut down the mighty Yankees in front of their own fans but lose the Series OR win the series but not having beat the Yankees to get there? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/2 "2004-10-07T20:45:05Z")
#1 for me. Why go for the kill, when you can go for the Pain? It’s not enough for the Sox to win…the damn Yankees must suffer in the process. Ideally, the last game of the ALCS should be a blow-out. A total humiliation of the Yankees in front of their fans. 15-0. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/3 "2004-10-07T21:55:45Z")
I would hate to see #1. I’ve said before that Pedro should never again see the 8th inning unless he’s pitching a no-hitter. # 2 would be nice. Damn nice. As far as: > [@](#): > > win the series but not having beat the Yankees to get there? They did beat the Yankees to get there. They won the season series, keeping them in the wild card hunt and making the AL East race a little interesting in the second half. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/4 "2004-10-07T22:38:02Z")
Winning the WS is what is important. Much too much is made of the Yankees rivalry. I hate the “Yankees Suck” mentality, it’s so petty. A 7 game series against the Yanks, if we won, would leave us drained for the WS. Let’s get a ring first and then worry about winning the AL East next year. ---
**Author:** ![Ol\_Gaffer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Ol\_Gaffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ol_Gaffer)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/5 "2004-10-07T23:01:04Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Winning the WS is what is important. Much too much is made of the Yankees rivalry. I hate the “Yankees Suck” mentality, it’s so petty. > > A 7 game series against the Yanks, if we won, would leave us drained for the WS. Let’s get a ring first and then worry about winning the AL East next year. Do you mean “much too much” is made of the rivalry by the Sox and Yankee fans themselves or by others? What I mean is that as an A’s fan I could care less who they beat if they win the whole thing (actually I would settle for getting out of the first round of the playoffs) but Red Sox fans seem to have a need to beat the Yankees to validate their success. ---
**Author:** ![CBCD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@CBCD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBCD)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2004, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/6 "2004-10-08T02:30:48Z")
As a Yankees fan, all I can say is ‘Nanny, nanny, poo poo!’ ---
**Author:** ![KSO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@KSO](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KSO)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2004, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/7 "2004-10-08T03:09:53Z")
> [@CBCD](#): > > As a Yankees fan, all I can say is ‘Nanny, nanny, poo poo!’ What does A Rod have to do with this??? 😉 As for the OP, I’ll take Scenario 2 although I really, really, really want to go through the Bronx. Scenario 1 is simply impossible to fathom because the only circumstances under which Pedro should pitch in the EIGHTH inning, nevermind the ninth, is if no other pitcher is available. Sorry, but this is my religion so I need some reality in the scenarios. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2004, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/8 "2004-10-08T03:38:34Z")
May an Orioles fan pipe in to say that his greatest pleasure this year would be to see the Yankees and the Red Sox both lose their series in the Metrodome? No? Oh, well. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2004, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/9 "2004-10-08T04:19:41Z")
Series. Not even a close vote. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2004, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/10 "2004-10-08T05:00:07Z")
Yankees fan here. If the Sawx beat us but lost the Series, I would find some room to chuckle. If they win the Series regardless of whether they beat us, I would give them respect. 'nuff said. ---
**Author:** ![fusoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecccb3/32.png) [@fusoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fusoya)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2004, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/11 "2004-10-08T17:54:01Z")
I’m not a baseball person, so I can’t claim to be a fan of either team, but I’ve lived my entire life in NYC, CT and RI, so I’ve been hearing this Red Sox vs Yankees stuff since I was a toddler. I really really really really want #2 to happen, so that both sets of fans can finally get on with their lives. I really really really really DON’T want #1 to happen, because that’ll just be throwing more fuel on the fire. I’d prefer that the Yankees and Red Sox not play at all this year, just to keep both sets of fans quiet, but if they do, the Red Sox had _better_ beat the Yankees in one way or another _and_ go on to win the world series, otherwise 2004 will be yet one more year that the Yankees fans will have to taunt Red Sox fans. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2004, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/12 "2004-10-08T18:01:51Z")
Win the Series. Beat whoever you have to to do it. Get those rings. That’s what every other team is playing for, isn’t it? Lots of them accomplish it, too. The obsession with the Yankees is a large part of what has held the Sox down all these years. If they, and their fans, could see them as just another good opponent, the mental blocks and all the curse shit would melt away. ---
**Author:** ![Exgineer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Exgineer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exgineer)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2004, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/13 "2004-10-08T18:10:52Z")
Winning the Series is the only thing that matters. I don’t care who they beat to do it just so long as it gets done. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2004, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/14 "2004-10-08T18:12:02Z")
the series, and it’s not even close. That’s the point. That’s the drought. That’s the curse. We’ve been to the series before, which means (in some way) the Yanks were beat, even if it was for the division title. However, second in satisfaction is seeing the Yanks lose at any time. I’m really rooting for the twins. It’s playing with fire to root for the Yanks to beat the twins just so the Sox could beat them. It’s especially satisfying to see the Yanks get embarrassed like last year, losing at home to a wild card team. Next best thing would be seeing Bernie Carbo mushroomstamp George Steinbrenner. ---
**Author:** ![fruitbat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fruitbat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fruitbat)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2004, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/15 "2004-10-08T18:52:46Z")
The series without question. But . . . in a karmic sense I don’t believe the Sox will win the series unless they do it through New York. Which leaves me hoping (tepidly) that the Yankees beat the Twins. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2004, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/16 "2004-10-08T18:59:04Z")
> [@Ol'Gaffer](#): > > …Manny hits a solo shot in the top of the 9th. Pedro comes back out for the for the bottom half This makes my blood run cold. 😉 Winning the WS is the most important thing. Off topic: Does anyone know the schedule for the WS. I know AL won the All-Star game so an AL team will have home field advantage. Will it be 3 at Al 2 at NL then (if necessary) 2 at AL? ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2004, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/17 "2004-10-08T19:00:53Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > This makes my blood run cold. 😉 > > Winning the WS is the most important thing. > > Off topic: Does anyone know the schedule for the WS. I know AL won the All-Star game so an AL team will have home field advantage. Will it be 3 at Al 2 at NL then (if necessary) 2 at AL? It’s always been 2 3 2 as long as I can remember. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2004, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/18 "2004-10-08T19:08:30Z")
Thanks **Trunk**. It would be sweet if it happened at Fenway. But, I’ll take it anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Miabella](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@Miabella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miabella)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2004, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/19 "2004-10-08T22:47:27Z")
I absolutely prefer to win the World Series. We’ve already beaten the Yankees in the season series, that works for me. ---
**Author:** ![silk1976](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@silk1976](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silk1976)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2004, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089/20 "2004-10-09T02:24:46Z")
Scenario 2… beating the yankees is nice, but thats been done more (and more recently) then winning the world series. The fact is that the yankees have had their strings of success, and they’ve had their times - just like the pats are having their time in the NFL at the moment. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/red-sox-fans-a-poll/268089.md?page=2)