# Redo Star Trek TOS with more guts **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 24, 2011, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593 "2011-04-24T22:26:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/41 "2011-04-25T12:38:47Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Redo **Arena** more like the original Fredric Brown story and less like Gene Coon’s vision. Would you have a link about that? ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/42 "2011-04-25T13:11:28Z")
“Arena” is one of the most anthologized science fiction stories ever (the internet speculative database has over fifty publications). It’s in **The Science Fiction Hall of Fame** (the first volume), which IIRC is still in print. A quick search shows where you can get it online, but you have to register or something.: [http://www.manybooks.net/titles/brownfother08Arena.html](http://www.manybooks.net/titles/brownfother08Arena.html) [http://www.bookglutton.com/reader/unbound?group\_id=0&id=4085&view=ub#href(title.xml#!0p:0)](http://www.bookglutton.com/reader/unbound?group_id=0&id=4085&view=ub#href%28title.xml#!0p:0%29) DON’T just read the synopsis – the story’s really very good, and worthwhile reading in its entirety without being “spoilered”. Actually, this site seems to have the story directly: [http://arthursclassicnovels.com/brown-f/arena10.html](http://arthursclassicnovels.com/brown-f/arena10.html) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/43 "2011-04-25T13:27:48Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Actually, this site seems to have the story directly: > > [http://arthursclassicnovels.com/brown-f/arena10.html](http://arthursclassicnovels.com/brown-f/arena10.html) Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/44 "2011-04-25T13:32:53Z")
I’d make Richard Matheson rewrite his script for “The Enemy Within” to include a rational reason the Enterprise couldn’t beam Sulu and the landing party some blankets, or a few phasers to warm some rocks. Or even a fuzzy sweater. Fuzzy sweaters are already evil, so what damage would transporting them do? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/45 "2011-04-25T13:49:23Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Fuzzy sweaters are already evil, so what damage would transporting them do? They would probably rematerialize as flannel jammies with feet. The landing oarty would die of laughter looking at Sulu garbed in such a manner. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/46 "2011-04-25T14:02:05Z")
More balls? I’d go with the Mirror-Mirrorverse version right from the pilot. [The Federation](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheFederation) **is** [The Empire!](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheEmpire) ---
**Author:** ![Satchmo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/satchmo/32/4223_2.png) [@Satchmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satchmo)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/47 "2011-04-25T15:01:39Z")
**Skald** , You said murder twice. Lots of good ideas above. I think I’d have more examples of what would really happen when you fire on a starship. Especially after you’ve already wiped out a colony or something similar. The Federation would really have to play for keeps. ---
**Author:** ![Rocketeer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocketeer/32/4437_2.png) [@Rocketeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rocketeer)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/48 "2011-04-25T15:36:26Z")
He likes murder. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/49 "2011-04-25T16:06:46Z")
> [@Satchmo](#): > > **Skald** , > You said murder twice. The Treaty of Hedylemarr requires me to obliquely refer to \*Blazing Saddles \*in all threads. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/50 "2011-04-25T16:14:47Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > The Treaty of Hedylemarr requires me to obliquely refer to \*Blazing Saddles \*in all threads. ditto! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/51 "2011-04-25T16:21:27Z")
I’d make it a lot more like _Babylon 5,_ i.e.: No post-scarcity Roddentopia. Just because we have interstellar travel and shit does not mean humanity has outgrown political conflict or labor unrest or hate or fear or greed. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/52 "2011-04-25T16:22:25Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > The Treaty of Hedylemarr requires me to obliquely refer to \*Blazing Saddles \*in all threads. That’s Hedlylemarr. With 14 seasons, we can revisit some places we only saw once. We can “watch Miri grow.” We can see “Leonard James Akaar” grow into a young man. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/53 "2011-04-25T16:25:14Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > The Treaty of Hedylemarr requires me to obliquely refer to \*Blazing Saddles \*in all threads. Bullshit! ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/54 "2011-04-25T16:43:41Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I’d make it a lot more like _Babylon 5,_ i.e.: No post-scarcity Roddentopia. Just because we have interstellar travel and shit does not mean humanity has outgrown political conflict or labor unrest or hate or fear or greed. TOS wasn’t post-scarcity. People had to work, particularly in the colony worlds. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/55 "2011-04-25T16:43:53Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > That’s Hedlylemarr. Thread Winner! ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/56 "2011-04-25T16:45:32Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Thread Winner! Well, I did go out of my way to provoke the joke. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/57 "2011-04-25T16:48:48Z")
The shortest distance between two jokers is a straight line. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/58 "2011-04-25T16:57:34Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Well, I did go out of my way to provoke the joke. Yeah, right. :rolleyes: Besides, you can’t win your own thread. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/59 "2011-04-25T16:57:46Z")
Wait a second. Fourteen years? That takes us past the first movie. Did you do that on purpose? Ilia probably fits the character of this thread if we get to her before her oath of celibacy. She’s basically a female version of Kirk, if not worse. A promiscuous woman in a position like hers? That would be pretty edgy. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593/60 "2011-04-25T16:58:51Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Yeah, right. :rolleyes: > Besides, you can’t win your own thread. I didn’t say I won the thread. I implied, and am now saying, that I wrote _murder_ twice to get someone to make a Blazing Saddles reference. I was beginning to worry that I’d wasted electrons. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redo-star-trek-tos-with-more-guts/579593.md?page=4)