# Redpill, you are a loathsome Neanderthal **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 4, 2010, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redpill-you-are-a-loathsome-neanderthal/559517 "2010-11-04T22:26:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2010, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redpill-you-are-a-loathsome-neanderthal/559517/181 "2010-11-08T22:27:20Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Ha ha, it’s true. Every time someone is tired of having a conversation, it’s because they’ve been run off by your madd skillz. That is, again, not what I said. Christ these threads are tedious. ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2010, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redpill-you-are-a-loathsome-neanderthal/559517/182 "2010-11-08T22:30:35Z")
> [@rachelellogram](#): > > I’m sickened by people like astro and MOL who are perpetuating the rape culture in the US. Shame on you. Why are you absolving the rapists from blame? I think rapists perpetuate rape culture. It is unfortunate that rapist apologists like you clutter up the discussion. 😉 (I couldn’t resist, only because you completely ignored my other post.) ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2010, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redpill-you-are-a-loathsome-neanderthal/559517/183 "2010-11-08T22:37:26Z")
She doesn’t read. She just froths. **Jim** , simmer down. I’m fucking around. Except about rachel being a willfully illiterate troll. I’m dead serious about that. ---
**Author:** ![Redpill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58956e/32.png) [@Redpill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redpill)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redpill-you-are-a-loathsome-neanderthal/559517/184 "2010-11-09T00:10:55Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > Let us stipulate that it is possible for rape to mean something sexual _to the perpetrator_, that the perpetrator experiences rape as a sexual thing. > > Even if true, that does not, in some fashion, make it OK to suggest that rape victims could prevent or reduce their risk of rape by doing things to be less sexually interesting. Such a suggestion is NOT OK. This does not make sense to me. If we assume, like I believe, that rape is a sexually motivated, it follows that reduction in motivation in a situation will reduce risk. Consider the example of woman “laying” in multiple men’s laps in a party, motivating one of them to put his hand down her underwear. You are again doing the same thing as others have done previously, which is picking an analogy of physical assault where the victim could not have reduced risk and applying it to all instances to assert that in all physical assault cases, the victim could not have reduced risk. A fallacy. > [@](#): > > Analogy A: Lynching victims in the deep south could have prevented or reduced their risk of being lynched by doing things to prevent being perceived as uppity. There’s nothing they could have done about it. > [@](#): > > Analogy B: Cartoonists filmmakers and illustrators who have been physically attacked or killed by Islamic extremists for how they portray the Prophet Muhammed or Islam could have prevented or reduced their risk of being assaulted by censoring their art to avoid anything that might upset Islamic extremists. The cartoonist could have been more sensitive towards Muslims and prevented this one. Just common sense. You wouldn’t wear a Nazi uniform and go to a Jewish gathering, would you? (I’m not discussing rights) > [@](#): > > Analogy C: Gay males who have been attacked and killed by homophobic queer-bashers could have prevented or reduced their risk of being beaten up by those guys by staying in the closet and making sure they don’t exhibit any behaviors that might be considered insufficiently masculine. There’s nothing they could have done about this one either. > [@](#): > > Keep in mind that rape victims have generally said that _to them_ rape was not about sex. That it was about violence. However much some rapist may say the victim was “being sexy”, the victim has tended to say she was merely “being female”. Being female is not stupid, passing out drunk in a dangerous area around strangers is. This is what’s being discussed. > [@](#): > > Male sexual behavior is not caused by females. It is caused by males. They’re the ones whose behavior it is. Male sexual arousal **is** caused by females and vice versa. However that’s not an excuse to rape and no-one is suggesting this. > [@](#): > > It doesn’t apepar that rape happens only, or even mainly, to the females who dress a certain way (mostly, instead, just to the most vulnerable females regardless of apparel and age) _but even if it did_, all indications are that if the… let’s say, sexiest-dressed 10% of women were to start dressing less provocatively, it would not make rape decline, not by 10% and not by some lesser figure, but rather instead rapists would simply target whoever they considered to be “dressed sexy”; Clothes have little to do with putting yourself at higher risk, actions have a bigger impact. > [@](#): > > SOME females would always be more so than some other females. And as I said, there’s no real evidence that this has anything to do with it. I could make a _somewhat_ similar point about “walking in unsafe places at unsafe hours by themselves or with only other women for company”. That’s more specifically a vulnerability factor and ameliorating vulnerability would (eventually at some point) have a bigger effect on the overall rate, but for quite some ways along the curve rapists would just switch their focus to slightly more cautious women if the women engaging in the 10% riskiest behavior suddenly got more cautious. Again, passing out does make one more vulnerable, thus increasing risk. Therefore, actions do affect risk. Now, if we should not talk about this because its not politically correct is the real debate. I say we should, simply because this is a serious matter. ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redpill-you-are-a-loathsome-neanderthal/559517/185 "2010-11-09T02:35:28Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > And with that, I am convinced this idiot bitch is a troll. I’m stating facts when I say that your opinions are perpetuating the rape culture in this country, and your refusal to face that fact is ignorant. You’re damaging and personally insulting victims of rape by subjecting them to your convoluted word-twisting bullshit shenaniganery. Are you as guilty of victim-blaming as, say, Redpill? No. But you’re still guilty. Your response to my serious question to you was brushed off because you didn’t think you should have to answer to me. Fair enough. I’m done being serious, and I don’t have to answer to you, either. I hope you choke on a fat, spicy corndog. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redpill-you-are-a-loathsome-neanderthal/559517/186 "2010-11-09T02:42:01Z")
rachel, why do you think it’s okay to strangle children? Please answer me. ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redpill-you-are-a-loathsome-neanderthal/559517/187 "2010-11-09T04:47:14Z")
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