# Redundancy is driving me crazy and insane **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 2, 2010, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382 "2010-09-02T13:53:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![KinkiNipponTourist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9bcb4/32.png) [@KinkiNipponTourist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KinkiNipponTourist)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/41 "2010-09-03T07:58:13Z")
> [@JpnDude](#): > > How about taking a boat ride in the river just south of Tokyo? > > I’ve heard many people refer to it in English as the “Tama-gawa River.” > > Uhmmmm, “gawa/kawa” already means “river”. Can you see Mt. Fuji-san from thar?😃 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/42 "2010-09-03T08:20:32Z")
What about attorneys-at-law who put junky stuff into written documents like the following sequel: > [@](#): > > I, Joe Blow, do hereby freely give, grant, bequeath, assign, devise, alienate & confirm to & upon John Doe… Are they being paid compensation per and by the word? ---
**Author:** ![Yodalicious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yodalicious/32/8195_2.png) [@Yodalicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yodalicious)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/43 "2010-09-03T13:10:35Z")
I am able to view this thread because I have access t the internet; thanks to my working NIC card. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/44 "2010-09-03T13:15:48Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > What about attorneys-at-law who put junky stuff into written documents like the following sequel: > > > [@](#): > > > > I, Joe Blow, do hereby freely give, grant, bequeath, assign, devise, alienate & confirm to & upon John Doe… > > Are they being paid compensation per and by the word? You read that and think “That’s an insane, nonsensical sentence. I could never come up with that!”. So you pay them. They do it on purpose and for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/45 "2010-09-03T13:19:55Z")
I’ll respond to this thread after I finish up The TTP Project. ---
**Author:** ![It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/it_s_not_rocket_surgery/32/312_2.png) [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/It_s_Not_Rocket_Surgery)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/46 "2010-09-03T13:31:05Z")
Remember that recall on my car’s ABS system? My car wasn’t recalled. I know because I checked the VIN number. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/47 "2010-09-03T14:36:43Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > To put on my chili con carne, with meat. > > Regards, > Shodan Can I get the chili con carne w/ meat on a panini sandwich? ---
**Author:** ![Philster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/13edae/32.png) [@Philster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Philster)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/48 "2010-09-03T14:51:45Z")
I like how we are all cooperating together on this thread. I think we can agree on this unanimously by all members. If redundancy were funny, I’d have fallen down laughing by now. Based on past experiences, I can see this happening. It still might be the end result. ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/49 "2010-09-03T15:01:47Z")
> [@JpnDude](#): > > How about taking a boat ride in the river just south of Tokyo? > > I’ve heard many people refer to it in English as the “Tama-gawa River.” > > Uhmmmm, “gawa/kawa” already means “river”. Like the Schuylkill River in Pennsylvania. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/50 "2010-09-03T15:33:05Z")
Has anyone been to Lake Lagunita on the Stanford campus? You can get there by taking the El Camino Real to Palo Alto. ---
**Author:** ![statsman1982](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@statsman1982](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/statsman1982)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/51 "2010-09-03T15:44:33Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > > [@Shodan](#): > > > > To put on my chili con carne, with meat. > > > > Regards, > > Shodan > > Can I get the chili con carne w/ meat on a panini sandwich? I’d much rather have some cheesy queso and chips. ---
**Author:** ![Kevbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e47774/32.png) [@Kevbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kevbo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/52 "2010-09-03T15:46:30Z")
I’d like to drown people that say that in the Rio Grande river. ETA: I actually grew up saying this…perhaps because Dad worked for the Rio Grande Railroad. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/53 "2010-09-03T15:52:24Z")
Sadly, [Torpenhow Hill](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpenhow_Hill) (meaning “hill hill hill hill” in four different languages) seems not to exist. Also, to save time, the [Wikipedia list of tautological place names](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tautological_place_names). ---
**Author:** ![SurrenderDorothy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/surrenderdorothy/32/1221_2.png) [@SurrenderDorothy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SurrenderDorothy)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/54 "2010-09-03T18:12:23Z")
you’re overexaggerating. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/55 "2010-09-03T18:42:17Z")
> [@Prelude\_to\_Fascination](#): > > … **Or maybe I could just live vicariously through you** , and let you chew people out for the both of us? 😛 Is the part I bolded intentional? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/56 "2010-09-03T19:29:07Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > > [@Prelude\_to\_Fascination](#): > > > > … **Or maybe I could just live vicariously through you** , and let you chew people out for the both of us? 😛 > > Is the part I bolded intentional? It was probably an unintentional mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/57 "2010-09-03T20:05:58Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > If you do need cash, though, you could get it at the ATM machine. On your way to go see The Los Angeles Angels. Heh. My favorite cross-language redundancy is also Los Angeles related: The La Brea Tar Pits. Apparently there’s also a spot somewhere in Great Britain called Torpenhowe Hill. Quadruply redundant! ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/58 "2010-09-03T20:07:09Z")
Too late for edit – Torpenhowe hill doesn’t exist?! It totally should. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/59 "2010-09-03T20:20:30Z")
> [@JeffB](#): > > > [@JpnDude](#): > > > > How about taking a boat ride in the river just south of Tokyo? > > > > I’ve heard many people refer to it in English as the “Tama-gawa River.” > > > > Uhmmmm, “gawa/kawa” already means “river”. > > Like the Schuylkill River in Pennsylvania. There’s tons of those, actually. “-kill” names for rivers and creeks are all over the Northeast US where-ever the Dutch put down roots, and every single one of them now has “River” or “Creek” as an appendage in their current names. Wallkill River, Kaaterskill (sp?) Creek, Fishkill Creek, to name a few I know of. Also as long as I’m here spamming all over the thread – that Wikipedia article on Torpenhow Hill is sort of a buzz kill. Torpenhow (the town) does exist; and if there is a hill nearby named after the town – well, the derivation might not be as popularly imagined, but that wouldn’t alter the entertainment value of the redundancy. Secondly, the article is stretching the point when it argues that Tor, Pen and How don’t all mean _exactly_ the same thing, so maybe the town was named all at once in one language as “head-peak-hill” or whatever … Spoilsport. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382/60 "2010-09-03T20:21:47Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Heh. My favorite cross-language redundancy is also Los Angeles related: The La Brea Tar Pits. > > Apparently there’s also a spot somewhere in Great Britain called Torpenhowe Hill. Quadruply redundant! Wow - the double-redundant post. Well done. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundancy-is-driving-me-crazy-and-insane/552382.md?page=4)