# Redundantly named places **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 12, 2022, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623 "2022-01-12T01:41:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/41 "2022-01-12T19:17:24Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > . . . an official name of “[The] City of Xxxx City”. If you want an example, the facebook page for King City OR: One might wonder, then, why any such city would include City in its name a second time, as in your King City example. This reminded me of King City, CA, which apparently can’t make up its mind. Their web site home page says “King City” in several places and “City of King” in several places (but never “City of King City” that I can see). Even the preview shows both phrases: [https://www.kingcity.com/](https://www.kingcity.com/) ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/42 "2022-01-12T19:21:00Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > One might wonder, then, why any such city would include City in its name a second time, as in your King City example. Because 99.9+% of the time, the phrase “[The] City of” is dropped in references to the place. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/43 "2022-01-12T21:16:37Z")
The village of Oostburg (dutch for EastTown) was bypassed by the railroad when it came through about two miles west of it. So denizens of Oostburg decided to move west to the railroad tracks where they built a station, homes, businesses, etc. and took the village name with them. Yet there were still homes and people in the original village site, which quickly became known as East Oostburg, aka East East Town. That designation is found on few maps these days but older locals (such as myself) still call it that. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/44 "2022-01-12T21:36:45Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > The La Brea Tar Pits = the the tar tar pits That’s what I always call it. 😛 > [@Senegoid](#): > > But some cities include the word City as part of their name, e.g., Culver City (CA). My hometown! ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/45 "2022-01-12T21:37:01Z")
> [@TokenRing](#): > > Hill Hill Hill Hill > > Torpenhow Hill > Though there isn’t really a hill there. > > [Torpenhow Hill - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpenhow_Hill) I note that the wiki says > Torpenhow Hill ( **locally** /trəˈpɛnə/, trə-PEN-ə)… My bold. We got any IPA speakers in the house? I just ask because I want to know if they got it right. The name is properly pronounced **Tropennah**. (You may safely take that from me - native Cumbrian) (and I was going to post that, dammit!) Instead… there are a number of UK rivers that meet the OP’s spec. The River Avon and the River Ouse are both _river river_. And I’ll argue that the [River Piddle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Piddle) does too, albeit in a sneery sort of way. j ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/46 "2022-01-12T22:35:58Z")
East Timor can be translated as “East East.” ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/47 "2022-01-12T22:56:27Z")
The “street” part of my address is like this, with a name that’s a kind of street, followed by another kind of street as a label (like “Road Street”, though not that). Which is ironic, since that “street”, despite having a street sign, is actually just a parking lot for my apartment complex. ---
**Author:** ![jaycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat/32/3015_2.png) [@jaycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaycat)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/48 "2022-01-12T23:11:08Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > [Wet Creek](https://www.google.com/maps/place/51%C2%B012'46.1%22N+114%C2%B001'29.8%22W/@51.2125357,-114.0250089,490m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xd9d00b1db70d17ac!8m2!3d51.2128171!4d-114.0249354) near Balzac AB You know, there is such a thing as a dry creek. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2022, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/49 "2022-01-12T23:39:22Z")
> [@Treppenwitz](#): > > Instead… there are a number of UK rivers that meet the OP’s spec. Not really, since I modified the request (post #5) to be only those that are redundant in English. If you have a River Creek or Creek River, then it’d meet my spec. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/50 "2022-01-13T00:33:32Z")
> [@jaycat](#): > > You know, there is such a thing as a dry creek. As noted earlier, there are _many_ Dry Creeks. But then, are they really creeks? ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/51 "2022-01-13T00:35:18Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > As noted earlier, there are _many_ Dry Creeks. But then, are they really creeks? If they are dry in the summer, but flowing in the fall and winter, I would say yes. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/52 "2022-01-13T00:44:32Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > If they are dry in the summer, but flowing in the fall and winter, I would say yes.   But if the creek is actually named Dry Creek, should its name be changed to Wet Creek every time there is water in it, and changed back to Dry Creek when there is not water in it? And when the water is gone but the ground is not fully dry yet, it should be called Damp Creek. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/53 "2022-01-13T01:40:14Z")
St. Louis has Olive Street Road. Sure, they decided to get fancy and rename it Olive Boulevard, but nobody calls it that. For that matter, everyone in St. Louis calls every street by its old name, even if the new name is now 50 years old. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/54 "2022-01-13T01:42:33Z")
Like Sixth Avenue in NYC? ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/55 "2022-01-13T01:51:06Z")
Google Maps shows it as 6th Avenue. Radio City Music Hall lists its address as 1260 6th Avenue (Avenue of the Americas). If the street name is in parentheses, it can’t be official. ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/56 "2022-01-13T09:46:05Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > > [@Treppenwitz](#): > > > > Instead… there are a number of UK rivers that meet the OP’s spec. > > Not really, since I modified the request (post #5) to be only those that are redundant in English. If you have a River Creek or Creek River, then it’d meet my spec. But Avon and Ouse are English words. Not, I’ll grant you, particularly modern English words, but English words none the less. j 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Roger\_That](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roger_that/32/8505_2.png) [@Roger\_That](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roger_That)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/57 "2022-01-13T11:03:02Z")
The official name is the one in parentheses. It’s a kind of shibboleth, or used to be, for spotting out-of-town poseurs. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/58 "2022-01-13T14:50:20Z")
Yes. As far as I know, the street has never been officially renamed back to Sixth Avenue. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/59 "2022-01-13T15:42:17Z")
What about Walla Walla? ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/redundantly-named-places/957623/60 "2022-01-13T16:07:42Z")
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