# Reeder's Official Bush-Bashing Thread
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [March 12, 2004, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987 "2004-03-12T23:54:26Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)
#### Post date: [March 22, 2004, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/161 "2004-03-22T05:33:22Z")
Well, alrighty then, except my five questions were really directed to **Reeder** , and I’m not sure to which of them you are answering ‘yes’.
Anyway, hey, yes, I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments. I just think, unlike the main subject of this thread, that this board is not intended to be a venue for unpaid, partisan political advertising.
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### Author:  [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)
#### Post date: [March 22, 2004, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/162 "2004-03-22T05:39:51Z")
> [@kaneslatranz](#):
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> If I may, I shall put in my two cents worth for the senator from New jersey.
Lautenberg or Torracelli?
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### Author:  [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2004, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/163 "2004-04-13T14:11:20Z")
What if GWB’d said this about Iraq, WMDs, and Hussein:
\*\*"As the president, I wanted to know whether there was anything, any actionable intelligence. And I looked, I was satisfied that some matters were being looked into. But the intel said nothing about an attack on America. It talked about intentions, about somebody who hated America – well, we knew that.
Had I known there was going to be an attack on America, I would have moved mountains to stop the attack. I would have done everything I can. My job is to protect the American people. And I asked the intelligence agencies to analyze the data to tell me whether or not we faced a threat. And had they found something, they would have reported it to me. That’s – we were doing precisely what the American people expects us to do: run down every lead, look at every scintilla of intelligence, and follow up on it.
I am satisfied that I never saw any intelligence that indicated there was going to be an attack on America."\*\*
**?**
Instead, GWB said these nearly identical things about al Qaeda:
\*\*“[And as the president](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4101-2004Apr11.html), I wanted to know whether there was anything, any actionable intelligence. And I looked at the August 6th briefing, I was satisfied that some of the matters were being looked into. But that PDB said nothing about an attack on America. It talked about intentions, about somebody who hated America – well, we knew that.” \*\*
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### Author:  [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2004, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/164 "2004-04-13T14:15:14Z")
Dude, this is **Reeder** ’s Bush bashing thread. Not _the_ Bush bashing thread. Go start your own. 😉
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### Author:  [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2004, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/165 "2004-04-13T21:32:03Z")
Goddamned motherfuckers
[http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show\_topic&forum=104&topic\_id=1395585](http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1395585)
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### Author:  [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)
#### Post date: [April 13, 2004, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/166 "2004-04-13T23:04:00Z")
Now why would a _soldier_ want to propagate images that their commander-in-chief is at pains to keep under wraps?
Oh, _right_. ☹
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### Author:  [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2004, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/167 "2004-04-14T00:14:56Z")
Not for nothing, **Reeder** , but that is not quite as strong a thousand-word pictorial essay as you might think. To me, anyway. I hope, given that I am vociferously not including GWB on my Christmas Card list, that you will not some sort of inexcusable bias on my part;)
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### Author:  [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2004, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/168 "2004-04-14T21:47:22Z")
Another family loss for your Godforsaken war.
[http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/040409/ids\_photos\_wl/r108709195.jpg&e=13&ncid=708](http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/040409/ids_photos_wl/r108709195.jpg&e=13&ncid=708)
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### Author:  [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2004, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/169 "2004-04-14T22:19:30Z")
**Reeder** , it’s getting to be time to let this thread die and start “Reeder’s Official Bush-Bashing Thread II.” At four pages this is starting to be a real bandwidth pig.
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### Author:  [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2004, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/170 "2004-04-14T22:24:33Z")
I just abide by them.
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### Author:  [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2004, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/171 "2004-04-14T22:43:48Z")
How about if I start a “Son of Reeder’s Bush-Bashing Thread”? Then you can put whatever you want in it, and let this thread crawl off into the myths of hithtory.
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### Author:  [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2004, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/172 "2004-04-14T22:52:14Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#):
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> How about if I start a “Son of Reeder’s Bush-Bashing Thread”? Then you can put whatever you want in it, and let this thread crawl off into the myths of hithtory.
So you are a mod now?
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### Author:  [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2004, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/173 "2004-04-14T23:00:39Z")
> [@Squink](#):
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> **Reeder** , it’s getting to be time to let this thread die and start “Reeder’s Official Bush-Bashing Thread II.” At four pages this is starting to be a real bandwidth pig.
Since people are only served a single page at a time, I don’t really see the bandwidth difference between loading page 2 of a 2-page thread vs loading page 4 of a 4 page thread. It’s about the same amount of data being transmitted, a page worth at max.
Perhaps someone with more knowledge of the mechanics of the board can clarify this.
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### Author:  [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2004, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/174 "2004-04-14T23:34:09Z")
> [@Reeder](#):
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> So you are a mod now?
What the hell kind of a response is that? **Squink** suggests starting a new thread rather than continuing this long one. You reply in a way that makes it seem you feel restricted to this one, no matter how many pages it accumulates. I offer, in all good faith, to give you a new outlet if you don’t feel comfortable starting it yourself, in a way that doesn’t violate **Lynn’s** original rule-setting. You respond by dropping this small but nasty turd.
Very well, then. Here’s your hair shirt and crown of thorns. Shall I steady the ladder while you climb back up on your cross?
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### Author:  [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2004, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/175 "2004-04-14T23:37:36Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#):
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> What the hell kind of a response is that? **Squink** suggests starting a new thread rather than continuing this long one. You reply in a way that makes it seem you feel restricted to this one, no matter how many pages it accumulates. I offer, in all good faith, to give you a new outlet if you don’t feel comfortable starting it yourself, in a way that doesn’t violate **Lynn’s** original rule-setting. You respond by dropping this small but nasty turd.
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> Very well, then. Here’s your hair shirt and crown of thorns. Shall I steady the ladder while you climb back up on your cross?
Young lady, I’m surprised at you! Don’t you know by now that no good deed goes unpunished? 😉
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### Author:  [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2004, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/176 "2004-04-14T23:38:39Z")
> [@Revtim](#):
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> Since people are only served a single page at a time, I don’t really see the bandwidth difference between loading page 2 of a 2-page thread vs loading page 4 of a 4 page thread. It’s about the same amount of data being transmitted, a page worth at max.
This issue got raised during the brouhaha about too many MPSIMS game threads, flirt threads, etc. One of the mods explained that it does in fact take more time for various aspects of the board’s functioning to deal with long threads. I can’t think offhand of the right search terms to find the thread discussing this, but no doubt someone else who remembers this can find it.
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### Author:  [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2004, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/177 "2004-04-14T23:39:14Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#):
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> What the hell kind of a response is that? **Squink** suggests starting a new thread rather than continuing this long one. You reply in a way that makes it seem you feel restricted to this one, no matter how many pages it accumulates. I offer, in all good faith, to give you a new outlet if you don’t feel comfortable starting it yourself, in a way that doesn’t violate **Lynn’s** original rule-setting. You respond by dropping this small but nasty turd.
>
> Very well, then. Here’s your hair shirt and crown of thorns. Shall I steady the ladder while you climb back up on your cross?
I’ll admit that the reply was a bit snarky, but here’s the relevant bit:
> [@Lynn Bodoni](#):
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> Reeder, from now on, please confine your complaints about Bush to this one thread. You may have ONE open thread about Bush in the BBQ Pit on the front page at a time.
The first sentence very plainly states “this one thread.” The second sentence implies, but only implies, that **Reeder** could have opened another thread once this one was off the front page, which it was.
It appears he doesn’t want to take a chance and get banned.
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### Author:  [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2004, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/178 "2004-04-14T23:39:17Z")
> [@Squink](#):
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> **Reeder** , it’s getting to be time to let this thread die and start “Reeder’s Official Bush-Bashing Thread II.” At four pages this is starting to be a real bandwidth pig.
Better take it up with **Lynn**.
> [@Lynn Bodoni](#):
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> Reeder, from now on, please confine your complaints about Bush to this one thread.
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### Author:  [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)
#### Post date: [April 14, 2004, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/179 "2004-04-14T23:42:22Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#):
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> Young lady, I’m surprised at you! Don’t you know by now that no good deed goes unpunished? 😉
Hey, I was nice to you and it didn’t backfire on me. 😃
Now I suppose you’ll go around with a big button reading: “I’m the exception that proves the rule!”
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### Author:  [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)
#### Post date: [April 15, 2004, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reeders-official-bush-bashing-thread/233987/180 "2004-04-15T00:09:39Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#):
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> The first sentence very plainly states “this one thread.” The second sentence implies, but only implies, that **Reeder** could have opened another thread once this one was off the front page, which it was.
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> It appears he doesn’t want to take a chance and get banned.
Fair enough, and I’d have accepted that if he’d said words to that effect instead of the snarky crap he spewed.
My interpretation of what Lynn said was no more than one thread at a time. Had I opened a “Son of” thread, I’d have stated up front that it was meant to replace the first one and let it die, which is not a bad idea since this thread has turned out to be mostly about itself and very little about **Reeder** posting whatever he wants to bash Bush with. I’d also have stated that if Lynn thought I was wrong to open the thread, I’d want her to close it. I wouldn’t have pursued the idea in any case if **Reeder** had simply said no, I’d prefer that you not.
**SimonX** , if I were actually going to go ahead and do this for **Reeder** , I would indeed take it up privately with Lynn beforehand. Given the reaction of the person I wished to help out, though, I won’t be bothering to pursue it. If **Reeder** wants a fresh thread to play in, he can always ask her himself.
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