# Regarding DavidB **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 18, 2000, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221 "2000-04-18T18:01:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![pashley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e0b2c6/32.png) [@pashley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pashley)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2000, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/41 "2000-04-20T14:13:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by SingleDad: > \*\* > I’m defending my _colleague_. While I certainly appreciate the fact that he contributes his time and energy to his duties as moderator, I’m arguing that his status is **irrelevant** : He justly has the same freedom as I do. > > \*\* What a kiss-ass you are. You defend him because you are so much like him, a self-assured egomanical piss-ant. Anyone that disagrees with you is ignorant, not just someone that disagrees with you. You are a coward, you self-righteous little piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![pashley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e0b2c6/32.png) [@pashley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pashley)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2000, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/42 "2000-04-20T14:15:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Esprix: > \*\* > If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen, frankly. If we piss you off so much, why did you come back? We were no less for your absence, I assure you. > > Esprix > > \*\* Well screw you, pal. No, I won’t do that, though you’d like me to. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2000, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/43 "2000-04-20T14:28:00Z")
Ladies and gentleman, let’s have a big round of applause for **pashley**. He may still be a whiny pissant who reverts to insults when someone actually voices a strong opinion that opposes him, but at least he’s learned to make those whiny pissant comments here in the Pit. Can I get a Hallelujiah? * * * JMCJ “Y’know, I would invite y’all to go feltch a dead goat, but that would be abuse of a perfectly good dead goat and an insult to all those who engage in that practice for fun.” -weirddave, set to maximum flame ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2000, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/44 "2000-04-20T15:09:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by **pashley** : > > Well screw you, pal. No, I won’t do that, though you’d like me to. Yeah, you’re really notching up a few levels on the ol’ Credibility Scale. :rolleyes: Esprix * * * ## [Ask the Gay Guy!](http://boards.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001376.html) (or, if you prefer the Jesusfied version, [Asketh the damn Priest Guy!](http://www.askjesus.org/ask.cgi?http://boards.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001376.html)) ## “Never assume a malicious intent when stupidity will explain just as well.” {This space reserved for a Genuine WallyM7 Sig™} ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2000, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/45 "2000-04-20T15:14:00Z")
Jodih: I actually see DavidB’s mentioning that bit about insults not allowed in Great Debats very much like two chessplayers during a chess game. If say I’m playing DavidB and I move my knight two squares diagonally (instead of the proper L-shaped move) and it thus ends up on a square that is quite advantageous to me and a direct threat on his king, DavidB is well within his rights to tell me, the other player, that particular move is not allowed per the rules. He does not need to call another person to referee that issue. Pash: I’m a believing person of faith, and I believe I’ve posted in a condescending manner in response to your postings. All of which, by the way, I find to be either condescending or insulting to others who don’t accept what you’ve dictated to be The Truth as Pash Sees It (Trademark). Get off it. General Public: DavidB has, in every single CvsE thread in which he’s participated, posted facts, cites, references and inferences with a “road map,” if you will, of how he’s gotten to those inferences. The “other side” has merely posted insults or hijacked the threads into another issue. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2000, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/46 "2000-04-20T15:31:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by pashley, directed to singledad: > \*\* What a kiss-ass you are. You defend him because you are so much like him, a self-assured egomanical piss-ant. Anyone that disagrees with you is ignorant, not just someone that disagrees with you. You are a coward, you self-righteous little piece of shit.\*\* \<\<\< _ **WHOOP! WHOOP! WHOOP! WHOOP!** _ Uh-oh, my Egregious Crap Alarm just went off! Hey, **Pashley!** C’mere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \<\<\< smacks him upside the head with a brick \>\>\> **Pash,** I know you know better than this, so this time I’ll spare you the sermon on Behavior Modification. **Esprix,** you look like you don’t need any help from me! But I’ll loan you my brick, if you like… 😃 * * * “Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast!” - the White Queen ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2000, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/47 "2000-04-20T15:59:00Z")
I don’t really jave much to add here, except to be a dick and quote myself: > [@](#): > > I’ve disagreed with David several times, with no evil scary repercussions. > > But then, I don’t present hearsay, rumor, and outright lies as verifiable truth, either. -andros- ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2000, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/48 "2000-04-20T16:04:00Z")
And, once again **Patrick** , by your words you show your abandonment of Christ. Maybe someday you can learn that “turn the other cheek” thing, but I’m not holding my breath. Behavior like yours from a self-professed “Christian” is revolting. -andros- ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2000, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/49 "2000-04-20T16:25:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by **Notthemama** : > > **Esprix,** you look like you don’t need any help from me! But I’ll loan you my brick, if you like… 😃 Oh, well, thank you - and what a lovely brick it is! But I think my Clue-By-Four of Justice™ will be just fine. 😃 Esprix * * * ## [Ask the Gay Guy!](http://boards.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001376.html) (or, if you prefer the Jesusfied version, [Asketh the damn Priest Guy!](http://www.askjesus.org/ask.cgi?http://boards.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001376.html)) ## “Never assume a malicious intent when stupidity will explain just as well.” {This space reserved for a Genuine WallyM7 Sig™} ---
**Author:** ![oldscratch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ed655f/32.png) [@oldscratch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oldscratch)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2000, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/50 "2000-04-20T16:52:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by pashley: > \*\* You defend him because you are so much like him, a self-assured egomanical piss-ant. Anyone that disagrees with you is ignorant, not just someone that disagrees with you. You are a coward, you self-righteous little piece of shit.\*\* Listen to you. Some people get so defensive. It’s not that anyone who disagrees with them is ignorant, it’s that they don’t tolerate ignorance in responses. I believe it was you who said > [@](#): > > If you don’t have anything worthwhile to say, don’t bother. Since you didn’t say anything worthwhile, shut your fucking mouth. ANd for someone who said this > [@](#): > > I don’t know what your problem is with God buddy, but i can tell you this: God is a loving God, but a just God. I wouldn’t be talking about being a coward. Personally I’m very pleased with David’s job as both a moderator and a poster. Yest his responses can be harsh, but they are always well imformed, and he has the facts to back up his attitude. If only the same could be said for you. ---
**Author:** ![Jett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/73ab20/32.png) [@Jett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jett)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2000, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/51 "2000-04-21T05:59:00Z")
It has always been pretty clear that when a moderator posts without noting that their “moderator hat” is on, they are just another poster. They are allowed to bait, insult (in the pit only, of course), debate, toss facts, refuse to believe conjecture, call the kettle black, etc. JUST LIKE ANY OTHER POSTER. On the referenced thread, the first moderator comment from David B was this: > [@](#): > > [Moderator Hat: ON] > > ``` > Esprix said: > > quote: > > ``` > > As much as I loathe to respond to Pashidiot… > > (David B. says :)Then don’t. Or at least don’t insult him in the process. That’s what the Pit is for. And, frankly, I’m getting tired of chasing after you and others about insults in the last few days. If you don’t stop, things are going to start getting deleted. At about 9am the above action warned another poster about posting insults anywhere other than in the pit. At about 3pm, after David engaged in the debate, he was insulted by Pashley. [/QUOTE] You call yourself a moderator? You’ve got the meanest spirit I’ve seen on this board. Why don’t you take your know-it-all attitude and shove it up you ass?! [QUOTE] This indicates to me that either 1. Pashley did not read the post in which DavidB. warned against pit language in non-pit debates. OR 2. Pashley applies a double-standard in which people who insult him should get slapped, but he should be able to insult others ## My conclusion: DavidB did nothing against the rules. Pashley broke the rules. DavidB was absolutely no more of a jerk than Pashley (consistently) seems to be. Some mornings, it’s just not worth chewing through the leather straps. – Emo Phillips ---
**Author:** ![Jett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/73ab20/32.png) [@Jett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jett)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2000, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/52 "2000-04-20T18:19:00Z")
Dratted UBB! There was not supposed to be a smiley in that post - it was ACTUALLY supposed to be a colon and and a close parentheses. It looks much friendlier this way, though. * * * Some mornings, it’s just not worth chewing through the leather straps. – Emo Phillips ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2000, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/53 "2000-04-20T18:40:00Z")
Way back when when **Pashley** was around more frequently, he posted as he is doing currently. He and I got into some _seriously_ heavy and heated discussions/debates/arguments all over this board (and **DavidB** was right to call us on it). I was also not the only one jumping all over **Pashley** ’s case, and one person went so far as to say (in the Pit) he wished he would die and rot in Hell; this, of course, crossed a line, and I came to **Pashley** ’s defense. Surprisingly, we then buried the hatchet, and although we still disagreed, we kept it civil and not-personal. Then **Pashley** disappeared for a couple of months, and then he suddenly reappears like yesterday. And now he’s back to his old self. So, **Pash** , what’s it gonna be this time around - truce or feud? Evidently you think I’m trying to egg you on, but, as I’ve stated before, we will always disagree - it’s up to you if we’re going to be _disagreeable_ about it. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2000, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/54 "2000-04-20T18:48:00Z")
Jett, that pretty much sums it up, then. Your evidence makes it clear that David applies the rules evenly to people he disagrees with philosophically and people he agrees with most of the time. QED ---
**Author:** ![Nen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Nen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nen)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2000, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/55 "2000-04-20T19:03:00Z")
I must empathize with DavidB. I’ve been involved in several religious threads in which Pashley makes assertions and fails to respond to rebuttals to his arguments. I have found it difficult if not impossible to elicit a rational response to a rational response. I found dealing with Pashley exasperating initially, and then resigned myself to the fact that a debate was impossible. Like DavidB, I’m arrogant (I think that’s why I like him) albeit calmed by a less aggressive style. The reminder about profanity was issued as a moderator. I have personally reminded Pashley about the use of obsenities in other threads, and to the best of my knowledge, nobody started a thread in the pit attacking me for both debating and pseudo-moderationg. I am aware of the retraction. ---
**Author:** ![the\_first\_supraliminal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f475e1/32.png) [@the\_first\_supraliminal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_first_supraliminal)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2000, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/56 "2000-04-21T15:35:00Z")
I’ve never gone head-to-head with DavidB, mostly because I’m a chicken shit. I think he is a very skilled debater, so it would be an accomplishment for me if I were ever to go head on with him. I can think of many here worse than DavidB, and I can think of some who are better. All in all, I think he is a good moderator. Although I used to think differently, I think he is changing, becoming a little more tolerant. Or perhaps it is me who is changing… By the way, I think DavidB really lost his cool when Phaedrus was around. That was so much fun… * * * There’s always another beer. ---
**Author:** ![pashley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e0b2c6/32.png) [@pashley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pashley)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2000, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/57 "2000-04-21T15:38:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Esprix: > \*\* > > And now he’s back to his old self. > > So, **Pash** , what’s it gonna be this time around - truce or feud? Evidently you think I’m trying to egg you on, but, as I’ve stated before, we will always disagree - it’s up to you if we’re going to be _disagreeable_ about it. > > Esprix\*\* Esprix, i was willing to let you and I remain cordial, but when you insult me, citing: > [@](#): > > First, Pashley had a long history of belligerence, bashing, baiting, trolling and stupidity on this board… > [@](#): > > We were no less for your absence, I assure you… Yeah, i get a little defensive. So, are you going to knock it off? YOU will be the one to deceide…still, i turn the other cheek…but i will not be run over. ---
**Author:** ![pashley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e0b2c6/32.png) [@pashley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pashley)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2000, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/58 "2000-04-21T15:42:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Notthemama: > \*\* \<\<\< _ **WHOOP! WHOOP! WHOOP! WHOOP!** _ > > Uh-oh, my Egregious Crap Alarm just went off! > > Hey, **Pashley!** C’mere! > > \<\<\< smacks him upside the head with a brick \>\>\> > > **Pash,** I know you know better than this, so this time I’ll spare you the sermon on Behavior Modification. > > \*\* I’d like to see you try that in person… ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2000, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/59 "2000-04-21T15:53:00Z")
**pashley** : > [@](#): > > I’d like to see you try that in person… But because you’re a Christian, you’d forgive your attacker and turn the other cheek, right, Patrick? -andros- ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2000, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221/60 "2000-04-21T16:11:00Z")
**Pashley** , would you mind not quoting me out of context, please? What I said was: > [@](#): > > First, Pashley had a long history of belligerence, bashing, baiting, trolling and stupidity on this board (he has, fortunately, changed somewhat for the better, at least with me), so reacting harshly to him is nothing new, nor is it only the trait of DavidB. Please note that I said _HAD_ a long history - no one here but you would refute that history. We were talking about why DavidB reacted so harshly to you. I responded by explaining that most everyone has a knee-jerk reaction to you because of your past history on this board. Let me repeat that: **past** history. I also went on to say that you seemed to have changed a bit by the time we last saw you. In case you missed it, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. You then said: > [@](#): > > I became very frustrated with all that, and let him have it with the “shove it up your ass” line. Was that the right thing to do? Maybe not, maybe so. Maybe the Pit is the right place to do it. To which I replied: > [@](#): > > If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen, frankly. If we piss you off so much, why did you come back? We were no less for your absence, I assure you. Now I think that’s a legitimate question - you left, and now you’re back, and you’re going right back to your belligerent, abusive style. Why? Why did you come back? And I’ll further go out on a limb here and say that the majority of people who have debated on this board with you in the past did **not** miss you while you were gone. Anybody who did, please let me know. Your further response to me was: > [@](#): > > Well screw you, pal. No, I won’t do that, though you’d like me to. My statement and question were not exactly friendly, but I didn’t resort to such witticisms as “screw you, pal.” Why did you? Why do you usually? Have you forgotten _why_ we reached a truce? I believe it was because, as much as I dislike and disagree with you, I still enjoy debating with you and feel you have every right to stay - except when you become abusive and belligerent, which you often do. > [@](#): > > Yeah, i get a little defensive. So, are you going to knock it off? YOU will be the one to deceide…still, i turn the other cheek…but i will not be run over. If you really took those jibes as offensive launches against you, then your skin has gotten thinner since your comeback. Shouldn’t I, then, be equally as offended by your “screw you” and “FLAME ON!” comments? Please. Saying I think you’re an idiot (and I do) doesn’t even qualify as a post on this board, let alone an outright flame. Toughen up, boy. As far as I’m concerned, the truce is still on, and I’d like to keep it that way. Debate the issue, not the debater. Esprix * * * Evidently, I rock. [Ask the Gay Guy!](http://boards.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001376.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/regarding-davidb/6221.md?page=4)