# Reid Admits No Support For "Assault Weapons" Ban **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 19, 2013, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reid-admits-no-support-for-assault-weapons-ban/653402 "2013-03-19T22:41:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reid-admits-no-support-for-assault-weapons-ban/653402/241 "2013-04-18T20:51:07Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > It’s not b/c they are cowards but because they are corrupted and US political system is corrupted. > > You think Senate voted for resolution to assist Israel when it attacks Iran because they are courages? > > [Senate c'tee: US will aid Israel if it strikes Iran | The Jerusalem Post](http://www.jpost.com/Iranian-Threat/News/US-Senate-ctee-US-will-assist-Israel-if-it-attacks-Iran-310011) > > /\* interesting that this “courageous” news cannot be found or easily located in any of major US news outlets > > It’s quite entertaining that Senate is more interested in another war than safety of their own citizens. You don’t seem to udnerstand that most states are very pro-gun rights. The most populus states may not but on a state by state basis, you don’t elected if you are a gun grabber. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Most Americans think background checks are already required for all gun purchases. So when those who responded, “stay the same” it means they want universal background checks. So they think we already have universal background checks and they are in favor of legislation that implements universal background checks?:dubious: Face it, you lost this round and it wasn’t because the NRa did such an awesome job. Do you remember the NRA response by Wayne LaPierre? At that moment I thought for sure we were going to get some sort of gun regulation, I mean talk about putting your foot in your mouth and then shooting it. Then Feinstein came to the rescue and stuck both feet in her mouth and shot them with an assault weapon. Seriously, you could have had meaningful regulation after the NRA response to Newtown but you went for an AWB isntead and now you have NOTHING. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reid-admits-no-support-for-assault-weapons-ban/653402/242 "2013-04-18T22:06:13Z")
I was saying that all along - the childish infatuation with the assault weapons ban means you waste a shitload of political capital on absolutely nothing. Even if you won the battle, no actual good would be done because the AWB was bullshit, but you’d almost certainly lose in which case you lost the opportunity to craft a law that might’ve actually done some good (doubtful, but at least you can legislate in good faith) and hand the republicans free victory and influence. So, so stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reid-admits-no-support-for-assault-weapons-ban/653402/243 "2013-04-18T22:10:21Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So they think we already have universal background checks and they are in favor of legislation that implements universal background checks?:dubious: No, Read my post again. Some are in favor of the legislation; but some think the current law is enough. They are the ones who think universal background checks are already required for all gun purchases. You’re welcome. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reid-admits-no-support-for-assault-weapons-ban/653402/244 "2013-04-18T22:43:57Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > No, Read my post again. Some are in favor of the legislation; but some think the current law is enough. They are the ones who think universal background checks are already required for all gun purchases. Do you not think it’s possible that some people realize that private face-to-face transfers do not require a background check and they still want the laws to remain as they are? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reid-admits-no-support-for-assault-weapons-ban/653402/245 "2013-04-18T23:14:00Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > No, Read my post again. Some are in favor of the legislation; but some think the current law is enough. They are the ones who think universal background checks are already required for all gun purchases. How do you know this? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reid-admits-no-support-for-assault-weapons-ban/653402/246 "2013-04-18T23:15:58Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Do you not think it’s possible that some people realize that private face-to-face transfers do not require a background check and they still want the laws to remain as they are? Not many of them, because the math won’t add up. If 85% want background checks, and 43% want the law to stay the same, that means there is a significant overlap. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reid-admits-no-support-for-assault-weapons-ban/653402/247 "2013-04-18T23:19:49Z")
My problem with all of this talk is that the anti-gun side says that the pro-gun side refuses to “compromise.” Well, from my experience, a compromise is where each side gets a little of what they want, but not all. It seems that in this case, the anti-gun side says, “Give us only 85% of what we want, none of what you want, and that’s a compromise.” Why would the pro-gun side be for this “compromise” with nothing in return. As I said in the other thread, a real compromise would be the Manchin-Toomey coupled with nationwide concealed carry reciprocity. Each side gets a little. That is my understanding of “compromise.” But the anti-gun side is all about gimme, gimme, gimme, and when they back off of their demands then they talk about that as a “compromise.” I call bullshit. Let me steal your car, your money, and live in your home. Okay, I give. Let me steal your car, your money, and live in your home only during the summer months. See, I’m reasonable and trying to compromise. Won’t you meet me part of the way? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2013, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reid-admits-no-support-for-assault-weapons-ban/653402/248 "2013-04-19T00:17:36Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > No, Read my post again. Some are in favor of the legislation; but some think the current law is enough. They are the ones who think universal background checks are already required for all gun purchases. > > You’re welcome. You said that most people think that universal background checks already exist. Now reconcile that with the notion that 90% of people support universal background check legislation. Are you saying that some significant portion of people that say they support universal background check legislation are actually saying they support the status quo because they think universal background checks are already in place? You are basically saying that no matter what the results of a poll indicate, they support you because anyone that disagrees with you actually agrees with you but they are answering the question based on a faulty assumption. > [@jtgain](#): > > My problem with all of this talk is that the anti-gun side says that the pro-gun side refuses to “compromise.” Well, from my experience, a compromise is where each side gets a little of what they want, but not all. It seems that in this case, the anti-gun side says, “Give us only 85% of what we want, none of what you want, and that’s a compromise.” > > Why would the pro-gun side be for this “compromise” with nothing in return. As I said in the other thread, a real compromise would be the Manchin-Toomey coupled with nationwide concealed carry reciprocity. Each side gets a little. That is my understanding of “compromise.” > > But the anti-gun side is all about gimme, gimme, gimme, and when they back off of their demands then they talk about that as a “compromise.” I call bullshit. > > Let me steal your car, your money, and live in your home. Okay, I give. Let me steal your car, your money, and live in your home only during the summer months. See, I’m reasonable and trying to compromise. Won’t you meet me part of the way? See, thats what I mean when I say that the anti-gun folks are like Republicans. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reid-admits-no-support-for-assault-weapons-ban/653402.md?page=12)