# Released Guantanamo Detainees Planned Fizzled Plane Explosion **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 29, 2009, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/released-guantanamo-detainees-planned-fizzled-plane-explosion/522903 "2009-12-29T13:44:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/released-guantanamo-detainees-planned-fizzled-plane-explosion/522903/201 "2010-01-04T17:45:50Z")
It is what it is, dude. To coin a phrase. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/released-guantanamo-detainees-planned-fizzled-plane-explosion/522903/202 "2010-01-04T19:14:55Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > remember that this is in the middle of armed conflict, not stopping a guy for running a red light. Please. Arresting someone and/or torturing them because someone else you tortured accused him, or because someone accused him of something for profit has nothing to do with “armed conflict”. And imprisonment without evidence and torture are wrong, “conflict” or not. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/released-guantanamo-detainees-planned-fizzled-plane-explosion/522903/203 "2010-01-04T19:20:09Z")
And are not “militarily necessary” either. Or even useful. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/released-guantanamo-detainees-planned-fizzled-plane-explosion/522903/204 "2010-01-04T20:50:08Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Would it surprise you to learn that the entire left wing hereabouts is not comprised of **Elvish** and **DoggyKnees**? That we are puzzled to hear you bandy about such a term of rightarded mendacity without qualification? There are several hereabouts who would be perfectly happy to fling such a turd without so much as a qualm. I had not placed you amongst them, and will modify my opinion if you insist. Won’t like it much. Yeeesh. Just go back and read what I have already posted. There is a theme that is “anti-military” that is associated with portions of the Left. Since I have already noted that the association is not universal and I have already pointed out several instances where it is true, what are you going on about? At no point have I claimed that all folks on the Left are anti-military or that anyone on the Left hates military personnel. However, that there is a theme of opposition to the military (expenditures, employment, whatever), that occurs with a certain regularity on the Left really should not be a cause for concern. If I was stupid enough to say that everyone on the Left hates the military, (the way that some posters on the Left say that all people on the Right are racists), I could see this being a cause for alarm. I have not and it is not. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/released-guantanamo-detainees-planned-fizzled-plane-explosion/522903/205 "2010-01-04T20:59:50Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And are not “militarily necessary” either. Or even useful. But there was a ticking dirty nuclear timebomb of mass destruction hurtling towards Detroit faster than the speed of light, and the Afghani goat herder knew the first 4 digits of the combination ! Why do you hate Detroit ? (Nevermind, stupid question.) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/released-guantanamo-detainees-planned-fizzled-plane-explosion/522903/206 "2010-01-04T21:16:55Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Yeeesh. Just go back and read what I have already posted. There is a theme that is “anti-military” that is associated with portions of the Left. A term whose meaning, as you intended it, you still refuse to share with the class. Was this a topic you actually wished to _debate_? :dubious: > [@](#): > > I have already pointed out several instances where it is true But how are the rest of us to tell? > [@](#): > > However, that there is a theme of opposition to the military (expenditures, employment, whatever) “Whatever”. Hmm. The term means “whatever”. Okay then. You can claim victory and go home if you want. > [@](#): > > that occurs with a certain regularity on the Left What the _hell_, man? Did you start watching Glenn Beck reruns over the holidays? > [@](#): > > If I was stupid enough to say that everyone on the Left hates the military…I could see this being a cause for alarm. I have not and it is not. Not “everyone”, speaking of excluded middles and strawmen. Once again, with feeling: > [@tomndebb](#): > > But to deny that there is not a generally anti-military sentiment that pervades a lot of Left wing discussion and many members of the Left is simply not a realistic position and calls into question the reliability and perception of the source of any such claim. General, pervade, a lot, later supplemented by regularity, but not “everyone”. So there too, huh? Is that it? You can do better than this. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/released-guantanamo-detainees-planned-fizzled-plane-explosion/522903/207 "2010-01-05T19:58:45Z")
Latest: [US halts Gitmo to Yemen transfers](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/05/suspend-gitmo-detainee-transfers-yemen/) ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2010, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/released-guantanamo-detainees-planned-fizzled-plane-explosion/522903/208 "2010-01-06T04:05:22Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Please. Arresting someone and/or torturing them because someone else you tortured accused him, or because someone accused him of something for profit has nothing to do with “armed conflict”. And imprisonment without evidence and torture are wrong, “conflict” or not. Agreed on the torture. Agreed on simple accusation / money/ evidence part too. However, detaining people who (with reason or not) want to kill you (the guy with the AK47 shooting at you) is reasonable and military necesity even if we accept that the war itself is immoral/illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2010, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/released-guantanamo-detainees-planned-fizzled-plane-explosion/522903/209 "2010-01-06T04:16:15Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > However, detaining people who (with reason or not) want to kill you (the guy with the AK47 shooting at you) is reasonable and military necesity even if we accept that the war itself is immoral/illegal. How do you know the people who were detained at Guantanimo wanted to kill Americans? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/released-guantanamo-detainees-planned-fizzled-plane-explosion/522903.md?page=10)