# Religion has given us nothing **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 8, 2010, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religion-has-given-us-nothing/542474 "2010-06-08T23:39:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Perciful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b38774/32.png) [@Perciful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Perciful)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religion-has-given-us-nothing/542474/261 "2010-06-16T13:12:38Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > **Perciful** , I was going to respond, but this already seems to be hijacking the conversation a bit. If you want to start a new thread on this subject, i’d be happy to participate. Revenant Threshold, Thanks, but I have to go make the donuts… I can’t start threads because I work a lot and can’t babysit them. I do like to chime in once and a while. If you knew me you would understand that I love my country, my life, my job and my freedom. Hate is not part of my vocabulary. If I question things I may be right or I may be wrong but I can’t not question authority. My Dad who was a veteran drilled it in me. He said to “Always question authority, It is the only thing that will keep us from another Hitler”. He used to watch ‘The World At War’ a lot and shake his head. How could something so evil happen right under our noses! In my own personal life I have been duped and cheated by a company I trusted and worked for. If anyone had told me that my companies CEO was going to take my retirement and run with it I would have laughed and said, No way! Our company is too big and too rich. It was all a sham. My Dad’s words rang true in my own life. So if you love your life never stop questioning and keep it real! Peace Out 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religion-has-given-us-nothing/542474/262 "2010-06-16T13:25:28Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So the Jews and the Muslims are conspiring to destroy those of _T_H_E O_N_E T_R_U_E F_A_I_T_H\*? > When you type this stuff out, have you ever considered reading it out loud to see how it sounds? Point of order here. Where did Perciful say anything about the Jews, and don’t say that “The Trilateral Commission and The Bilderbergers” (btw, technically, it’s “Bildebergers”, Perciful) are “code words”. They are not. They are very real organizations which do have a bent towards global corporations and governance. Now, whether they actually pose a threat to faith and freedom are debatable, but they are not illusory or just a polite way of saying “Elders of Zion”. I think you owe Perciful an apology. Btw, Perciful- I’ve studied the history of these groups for thirty years, a few of those as a dedicated John Birch Society Conspiracy-buff and more from a more moderate yet still Conservative perspective. While I think they want more centralized control than they do have, I no longer believe they have any plan to take away our faith or most of our freedoms. They definitely don’t want 1984 and probably don’t want most of Brave New World- that would just be more crap they have to do. Also, the radical Muslims hate them just as much as they hate regular Christian conservative Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religion-has-given-us-nothing/542474/263 "2010-06-16T13:32:17Z")
> [@Perciful](#): > > So if you love your life never stop questioning and keep it real! An important part of questioning is to listen to the answers. You seem to skip right over that part. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religion-has-given-us-nothing/542474/264 "2010-06-16T13:33:27Z")
You’ll be able to confirm then whether the people in the highest positions among these groups, benefit no matter who is in power, and have interests and influence well beyond national borders, eh, **Friar Ted**? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religion-has-given-us-nothing/542474/265 "2010-06-16T13:34:15Z")
> [@Perciful](#): > > I’m just curious as to how it is going to play out. If we will join the Northern Union as the Europeans have under the Euro. Not a chance. Neither Canada or Mexico wants to be reduced to our vassals, and that’s what such a union would amount to. And I find it amusing that the assumption is always that poor helpless America would end up enslaved by the evil brown people and socialists. ---
**Author:** ![Perciful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b38774/32.png) [@Perciful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Perciful)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2010, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religion-has-given-us-nothing/542474/266 "2010-06-17T03:54:59Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Point of order here. > > I think you owe Perciful an apology. > > > [@](#): > > > > I did not know the the groups mentioned were an attack on Jews. I like Jewish people and my next door neighbor is Jewish and tonight she told me my hose had sprung a leak. I consider her a friend just as I do most people no matter what they believe. I don’t have a problem with law abiding Muslims either. > > Btw, Perciful- I’ve studied the history of these groups for thirty years, a few of those as a dedicated John Birch Society Conspiracy-buff and more from a more moderate yet still Conservative perspective. While I think they want more centralized control than they do have, I no longer believe they have any plan to take away our faith or most of our freedoms. They definitely don’t want 1984 and probably don’t want most of Brave New World- that would just be more crap they have to do. Also, the radical Muslims hate them just as much as they hate regular Christian conservative Americans. > [@](#): > > Thanks Friar Ted, That is good news. I have not studied too much on the elite but they seem to meet several times a year. It is good that the elite and the radical Muslims don’t like eachother. I will never bow to a Muslim or live in fear of one. I won’t bank at a Sharia bank. I don’t want to be a slave to the rich elites either. It seems as if our country is so off the track. It makes me sad to see our beautiful country in the hands of people that have no idea how to run it prudently. We make it hard when it is laid out in the Constitution so simply. We need to make Presidents and everyone in Washinton accept term limits and take an oath of poverty. So they are in it for the country not the money. > > It is good to know my freedom and faith are not in immediate jeopardy. Peace~ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religion-has-given-us-nothing/542474.md?page=13)