# Religious, but non-Islamic, terrorist organizations

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religious-but-non-islamic-terrorist-organizations/690913>\
**Category:** Factual Questions\
**Created:** [June 16, 2014, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religious-but-non-islamic-terrorist-organizations/690913 "2014-06-16T16:35:23Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 5\
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**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\
**Post date:** [June 19, 2014, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religious-but-non-islamic-terrorist-organizations/690913/41 "2014-06-19T21:42:48Z")

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> [@njtt](#):
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> The [crosses as burned by the KKK](http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/cross-burning-at-nighttime-ku-klux-klan-kkk-rally.jpg) bear no resemblance to a [St Andrews cross](http://www.ravenswoodleather.com/index.php?p=product&id=508) (which is in any case, itself a religious symbol).
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> Anyway, are you really trying to imply that the KKK was an organization specifically for people of Scottish descent?

It’s from a Sir Walter Scott novel, innit?

Upon googling: I misremembered. It’s a poem, not a novel. _[The Lady of the Lake](http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3011/3011-h/3011-h.htm)_.

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**Author:** ![md2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/73ab20/32.png) [@md2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md2000)\
**Post date:** [June 19, 2014, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religious-but-non-islamic-terrorist-organizations/690913/42 "2014-06-19T22:01:53Z")

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> [@Steken](#):
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> It’s from a Sir Walter Scott novel, innit?
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> Upon googling: I misremembered. It’s a poem, not a novel. _[The Lady of the Lake](http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3011/3011-h/3011-h.htm)_.

Watery tarts lobbing scimitars is no basis for a system of government.

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**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\
**Post date:** [June 19, 2014, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religious-but-non-islamic-terrorist-organizations/690913/43 "2014-06-19T22:57:42Z")

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> [@Annie-Xmas](#):
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> Stand outside a women’s health center that provides abortions. They are trying to terrorize women into not having abortions. They totally ignore the word NO. On Saturdays, there have to be people to escort the women into the center. How terrorizing is that?

Speech isn’t ‘terrorism’, however much you might disagree with the speech.

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**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religious-but-non-islamic-terrorist-organizations/690913/44 "2014-06-20T13:46:05Z")

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> [@njtt](#):
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> The [crosses as burned by the KKK](http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/cross-burning-at-nighttime-ku-klux-klan-kkk-rally.jpg) bear no resemblance to a [St Andrews cross](http://www.ravenswoodleather.com/index.php?p=product&id=508) (which is in any case, itself a religious symbol).
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> Anyway, are you really trying to imply that the KKK was an organization specifically for people of Scottish descent?

The burning crosses were not practiced by the first klan but by the second klan. The origin is from the play the Clansman which was later turned into the movie, Birth of a Nation. The director of the movie either did not know or did not care that the cross of St Andrew looks different.  
The term clan comes from Scotland and many of the white southerners had Scottish Ancestry, but the klan was for never for Scottish people, but rather for White Anglo Saxon Protestants. The Scottish influence was about the dominant ethnicity of the south and the fad for Scottish literature and poetry at the time of the second klans founding.

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**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\
**Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religious-but-non-islamic-terrorist-organizations/690913/45 "2014-06-20T14:11:31Z")

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> [@Batistuta](#):
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> In its origins ETA was somewhat linked to the Catholic church in the Basque Country, although of course it can’t be classed as a ‘religious organisation’.

But in ETAs origins, everything in Euskal Herria was linked to the Catholic Church, specially on the Spanish side. If by “linked to the Catholic Church” you mean that sometimes their operatives received help from individual priests, or that some of those operatives had gone to seminar, remember that priests were involved with every political ideology and that until quite recently, seminar was the way to go to high school for free.

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