# Reluctantly — Fuck Texas **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2021, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289 "2021-02-19T14:59:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/621 "2023-12-08T17:57:34Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > When he was told giving birth might be fatal to her, his response was “if she dies she dies.” If you’re channeling Ivan Drago then you need to reevaluate your parenting technique. ---
**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/622 "2023-12-08T18:17:49Z")
Deleted for insensitivity Dan ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/623 "2023-12-08T21:03:19Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > At the end of the day, it’s votes that will make the difference. And enough to overcome a lot of structural advantages that allow a small-ish majority (and yes, it’s still majority) to hold the power a large majority would hold if things were more representative This is why in threads about the Electoral College and state representation in the Senate, I’ve held that having fundamental issues decided by 50.001% majorities is not a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/624 "2023-12-08T21:15:26Z")
Eh. The issue with the electoral college is worse - it allows a minority of people to call the shots. And that’s by design. We give small states outsize power compared to their populations. Let’s actually get to the point where everybody’s vote counts equally. Maybe tyranny of the majority is still an issue, but we still have to deal with a tyranny of the minority before then ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/625 "2023-12-08T22:33:58Z")
Ken Paxton has asked the Texas Supreme Court to quickly intervene to overturn the district court’s order, stating that, “each hour the order remains in place is an hour that Plaintiffs believe themselves free to perform and procure an elective abortion,” and, “Nothing can restore the unborn child’s life that will be lost as a result.” > **[Ken Paxton asks Texas Supreme Court to stop Dallas woman from getting an...](https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/08/texas-abortion-lawsuit-ken-paxton/)** > > The state attorney general’s petition comes after a Travis County district judge cleared the way for Kate Cox, 31, to terminate her pregnancy. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/626 "2023-12-08T23:00:57Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Or at least that’s what any actual follower might conclude. I’ve heard them say it. They’ll also quite happily tell you that atheists have no _objective_ basis for their morality. Never addressing the problem with a morality that, at it’s most basic, is ‘_Anything God allows is good by definition_’. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/627 "2023-12-09T00:15:59Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > If that happens then it was god’s will. 🙄 Yep, I’m related to some of those too. Nothing life-threatening has happened yet, but I did have one cousin who got into a very bad mental space because she wouldn’t seek medical help from people who didn’t share her religious beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/628 "2023-12-09T00:43:25Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > “Nothing can restore the unborn child’s life that will be lost as a result.” Isn’t the whole point here that the unborn child’s life is already lost? After all, I don’t see him doing a damn thing to help the child to survive after birth. Once born, the child (likely dead child, maybe even stillborn child) no longer has political value for him. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/629 "2023-12-09T01:45:59Z")
It’s about controlling women’s sexuality. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/630 "2023-12-09T01:52:41Z")
You are so right. Now, I don’t like abortion, and I believe life begins at conception. But I believe that my religious beliefs can’t be used in secular law, and a woman has absolute rights over her body. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/631 "2023-12-09T02:35:06Z")
Red state America is Taliban country. It’s that simple. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/632 "2023-12-09T04:08:31Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Isn’t the whole point here that the unborn child’s life is already lost? After all, I don’t see him doing a damn thing to help the child to survive after birth. Once born, the child (likely dead child, maybe even stillborn child) no longer has political value for him. If the world was a just place, the child would be born and handed to Paxton so he can watch it die. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/633 "2023-12-09T04:21:06Z")
Why subject a child to that? If the world was a just place, Paxton would be forced to carry a child to term and made to personally raise the child without offloading any of the care to others, without abusing the child physically or emotionally, and made to make personal or professional sacrifices if necessary to do so. And be subjected to the judgment of his neighbors or just random strangers on how well or poorly he was caring for the child. That would be just. Personally, I’ve always thought the abortion debate would end in an instant if a man took a 50% risk of being the one to get pregnant ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/634 "2023-12-09T04:43:48Z")
Maybe we could take a stillborn fetus and implant it in Paxton’s abdomen, then let it fester and rot inside him, and just ignore his agonized pleas for medical care. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/635 "2023-12-09T04:44:51Z")
Was her father a Christian Scientist? I couldn’t imagine anyone else saying a thing like that, especially about THEIR OWN CHILD! Why would her father’s opinion have any bearing on the situation, anyway? Was she a minor at the time? Metallica singer James Hetfield was raised in that cult and saw a lot of unnecessary suffering, and he once said, “If a deer knew how to fix a broken leg, it would.” ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/636 "2023-12-09T04:47:08Z")
I follow several cat rescue webcams. They don’t know how to do c-sections if things go wrong with their births. We do. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/637 "2023-12-09T05:07:02Z")
The Texas Supreme Court has temporarily stayed the lower court’s order. There is no justice to be had in this state, just the fleeting illusion of it. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/638 "2023-12-09T05:13:15Z")
Is there some reason why she cannot leave the state, and get the medical care she needs? ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/639 "2023-12-09T05:24:01Z")
I’m sure that’s what most Texas Republicans secretly wish she would do, as the optics on this are worrisome for them for the reasons @MandaJo lays out. Depending on how she leaves the state, however, she or anyone who assists her may be subject to civil suits for driving through certain counties: [https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-u-s-news/ap-texas-counties-trying-to-prevent-people-from-using-roads-to-get-an-abortion-grows/](https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-u-s-news/ap-texas-counties-trying-to-prevent-people-from-using-roads-to-get-an-abortion-grows/) ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/640 "2023-12-09T05:25:26Z")
One wonders if there are people watching her house. It wouldn’t surprise me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289.md?page=33)