# Reluctantly — Fuck Texas **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2021, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289 "2021-02-19T14:59:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/701 "2023-12-12T06:56:05Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Remember, we were the first state to vote to keep abortion rights after Roe was overturned. Some states already had the law on the books and didn’t need to create one, but good on Kansas. Kansas is not that bad, I liked living there and I particularly liked Wichita. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/702 "2023-12-12T12:12:28Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Some states already had the law on the books and didn’t need to create one, but good on Kansas Kansas had the law on the books. The vote was on a constitutional amendment that would have severely restricted abortion, much like the laws that Texas and others have passed. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/703 "2023-12-12T13:55:19Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > or Kansas Kansas could be a lot worse (there’s damning with faint praise). Dem governor who gets some stuff done in the face of a crazed legislature, abortion ban failed in statewide vote. Living in formerly purple Missouri, it is embarrassing to contemplate. My daughter-in-law (MO born and raised), refuses to contemplate leaving KS for MO to raise her daughter under their current respective governments. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/704 "2023-12-12T14:04:01Z")
Red state brain drain. > **[The Red State Brain Drain Isn’t Coming. It’s Happening Right Now.](https://newrepublic.com/article/176854/republican-red-states-brain-drain)** > > As conservative states wage total culture war, college-educated workers—physicians, teachers, professors, and more—are packing their bags. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/705 "2023-12-12T14:04:58Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Kansas could be a lot worse Oh, certainly. We have absolute idiots in charge of both houses of the legislature, who would have ramrodded a whole bunch RW BS were it not for Governor Kelly. And Kris Kobach is our AG. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/706 "2023-12-12T14:11:58Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Red state brain drain. I’ve seen that article, but it makes a pretty weak case that it’s specifically conservative state policies that are leading college-educated workers to leave red states (as opposed to just not wanting to live in Middle-of-Nowhere, Idaho). And the article notes that Texas continues to import more college-educated workers than leave the state. ---
**Author:** ![Tride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tride/32/13907_2.png) [@Tride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tride)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/707 "2023-12-12T14:21:24Z")
[NYT gift link.](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/11/us/texas-abortion-kate-cox.html?unlocked_article_code=1.FU0.ZEyK.CaReLSyzJbNN&hpgrp=c-abar&smid=url-share) The Texas Supreme Court has ruled against Ms. Cox… Claims there was not enough evidence that her life or health were in danger. There are no words. If I were a fertile female the screen door would be flapping in the wind and speed limits would be being exceeded getting the hell out of Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/708 "2023-12-12T15:29:33Z")
Bizarrely when I lived in KC, the right wing nuts were in Kansas. They thought Bob Dole was not “conservative” enough. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/709 "2023-12-12T15:52:08Z")
Related, doctors are leaving some of these same states due to abortion laws. This is from my area: > **[Pregnant with no OB-GYNs around: Maternity care became a casualty of Idaho's...](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/pregnant-women-struggle-find-care-idaho-abortion-ban-rcna117872)** > > After an Idaho hospital closed its obstetrics department, pregnant women in the county have been left without nearby care. Their OB-GYNs fled the state. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/710 "2023-12-12T15:54:30Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > the right wing nuts were in Kansas. They’re still here. The difference now is that Missouri has gone off the RW deep end. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/711 "2023-12-12T16:24:08Z")
I’ll post this here as this thread seems to have superseded the _Screw Greg Abbott_ thread. > **[5th Circuit rules Galveston County should keep new maps for election - San...](http://digital.olivesoftware.com/olive/odn/sanantonioexpressnews/shared/ShowArticle.aspx?doc=SAEN%2F2023%2F12%2F12&entity=Ar00502&sk=AE1328B7&mode=text)** > > San Antonio Express - 12/12/2023 > Galveston County is moving forward with its 2024 election using district maps that multiple courts have ruled violate the Voting Rights Act by denying Black and Latino voters an equal opportunity to participate in the political process. > > The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overruled a district court judge who tried to enforce previous maps on the county while the case works its way through the legal circuit. The county will proceed barring a last-minute intervention by the U.S. Supreme Court. > > “I’ve never seen anything like this before,” said Mark Gaber, senior director for redistricting at the Campaign Legal Center, which represents one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit. > > The maps dismantle the district represented by Commissioner Stephen Holmes, all but ensuring his defeat in 2024. Holmes, who is Black, represents the only district in the county in which a majority of residents are people of color. > … > > “We are pleased and encouraged that the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals voted 11-6 today to stay the District Court’s order imposing Map 1 on Galveston County,” County Judge Mark Henry said in a statement. “The Fifth Circuit correctly decided that changing election maps too close to an election **would confuse voters.** ” > … My bold. _Ri-i-i-ight._ 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Nightaudit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nightaudit/32/17181_2.png) [@Nightaudit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightaudit)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/712 "2023-12-12T17:59:54Z")
I have kin folk in Kern and Madeira counties . I counted more Trump signs in the drive from Fresno to Bakersfield the last time I was there in 2017 than I have seen since then in Texas too ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/713 "2023-12-12T18:23:53Z")
You all may know I run the DeathPool. I once had Kris Kobach on a list, along with a number of others, like Sam Brownback and Pat Roberts. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/714 "2023-12-12T18:24:17Z")
> [@Tride](#): > > The Texas Supreme Court has ruled against Ms. Cox… Claims there was not enough evidence that her life or health were in danger. There are no words. Henceforth to be known as the “She’s Not Dead Yet” decision. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/715 "2023-12-12T18:30:19Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > I once had Kris Kobach on a list, along with a number of others, like Sam Brownback and Pat Roberts. You can add Ty Masterson and Dan Hawkins to that list! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/716 "2023-12-12T22:12:47Z")
Don’t know who those guys are, but I’m curious to know if your suggestion that they be added to the list is aspirational. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/717 "2023-12-12T23:05:19Z")
Sorry, sort of inside joke to Kansans. Masterson is senate president and Hawkins is house speaker in Kansas. Both are genuine GOP assholes. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/718 "2023-12-13T03:08:52Z")
Trae Crowder, AKA liberal Redneck, calls Texas Howdy Arabia, but then goes on to point out that Saudi Arabia allows for abortions for medical reasons. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/719 "2023-12-13T14:54:49Z")
Ted Cruz – who’s up for reelection next year – has gone completely silent on the Kate Cox saga. It has to be terrifying for Republicans that this is happening to a white, middle-class, suburban mother. Might get the other suburban soccer moms thinkin’ about what a zealous anti-abortion regime means for them, their daughters and their neighbors. > **[Texas’ Cruz, Cornyn dodge questions about Kate Cox abortion case](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/texas-cruz-cornyn-dodge-questions-kate-cox-abortion-case-rcna129497)** > > Sens. John Cornyn and Ted Cruz don't want to talk about the plight of Kate Cox, whom they represent. Don't their constituents in Texas deserve better? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289/720 "2023-12-13T15:07:56Z")
Yeah, the TX Supreme Court didn’t do the GOP any favors, even if they thought they were. Would have been better off strategically just staying out of it or letting the lower court decision stand to give the fig leaf pretense that medical exemptions actually existed while only really making it available to the white, wealthy suburbanites [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reluctantly-fuck-texas/933289.md?page=37)