# Remarrying and then going to heaven... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 6, 2002, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822 "2002-12-06T00:47:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2002, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/21 "2002-12-06T16:01:58Z")
I said love, not sex. You DO know theres a difference? ---
**Author:** ![0rbytal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/0/65b543/32.png) [@0rbytal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/0rbytal)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2002, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/22 "2002-12-06T16:19:00Z")
Mangetout: which version? I recommend The Douay-Rheims version, simply because it was translated directly from the Latin Vulgate, which was written in 382 (long before Luther and his protestant descendents could take stuff out). ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2002, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/23 "2002-12-06T17:38:14Z")
In view of the fact that this has degenerated to a “We’re right” “No, we’re right” second-grade exercise, I’d like to go on record as affirming **Arcite** ’s post as valid for **me**. Just out of curiosity, **Monty** , I was aware of “marriages sealed for eternity” in the CoJCoLDS, but not aware of what the Scriptural base for it is. (Assuming “Scriptural” is the appropriate term – do you include BoM, D&C, PoGP in “Scriptures” as common usage?) As for me, **Orbytal** , I’d have to concede that any church Jesus founded was based on his commissioning of the Twelve as his Apostles, with collegial oversight by them guided by the Holy Spirit as described in Acts, with Peter exercising leadership among them in the early days. Such a church is preserved inthe Orthodox and Anglican Communions, but is not well modeled by a monarchical Papacy and Curia giving orders to the bishops. Perhaps you would care to make your case on this subject, preferably in a new thread to avoid a hijack of this one? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2002, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/24 "2002-12-06T22:03:59Z")
Poly: Yes, I include the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine & Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price as scriptures. As far as marriage forever, though, one doesn’t have to go beyond the Old Testament to find a reference for it in Hosea 2:19. Obviously not everyone agrees that’s what it refers to; however, those who disagree with it are far more polite than that stunningly ignorant comment from Orbytal above. ---
**Author:** ![JonScribe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3be4f8/32.png) [@JonScribe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JonScribe)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2002, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/25 "2002-12-06T23:04:44Z")
I guess what we need is a volunteer to die and report back. Any takers? ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2002, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/26 "2002-12-06T23:41:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by 0rbytal \* > \*\*Mangetout: > which version? > > I recommend The Douay-Rheims version, simply because it was translated directly from the Latin Vulgate, which was written in 382 (long before Luther and his protestant descendents could take stuff out). \*\* so i’m going to regret asking this, but what got taken out? ---
**Author:** ![c\_carol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e79b87/32.png) [@c\_carol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/c_carol)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2002, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/27 "2002-12-06T23:50:46Z")
Monty, Hosea 2:19 seems like a very thin thread to hang such an important doctrine on. In context, “I will betroth you to me forever” (NIV) is God speaking to Israel, not one individual person speaking to another, and I don’t see any reason to apply it to individual marriages, especially in the light of what Jesus says in the passage referenced above. And you’re right about Orbytal. Whether he’s right or wrong (I’m not even touching that question here), that was stunningly tactless. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2002, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/28 "2002-12-07T00:19:15Z")
—But Jesus answered them, "You are wrong, because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God.— How can a question be wrong? And I wonder what scriptures Jesus thinks he’s quoting? Which scriptures refer to “the ressurection” on this matter, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2002, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/29 "2002-12-07T00:39:57Z")
I’d say that ‘You are wrong’ in this context is quite nicely equivalent to ‘none of the above’ ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2002, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/30 "2002-12-07T00:41:44Z")
(in other words it was a rejection of a false dilemma) ---
**Author:** ![c\_carol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e79b87/32.png) [@c\_carol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/c_carol)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2002, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/31 "2002-12-07T00:48:09Z")
Apos, I don’t know what scriptures He’s referring to (I’ve puzzled over that one myself), but I think I can explain why He said the Sadducees were wrong. The key is in verse 23: “… who say that there is no resurrection”. The question they ask is not a sincere request for information; they’re trying to force Jesus into admitting that the doctrine of resurrection leads to a logical contradiction (since you can’t be married to more than one person at a time.) ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2002, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/32 "2002-12-07T02:17:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JonScribe \* > \*\*I guess what we need is a volunteer to die and report back. > > Any takers? \*\* How many wives will I be allowed to take to make it a significant experiment? And when am I expected to provide the report? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2002, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/33 "2002-12-07T02:21:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by c\_carol \* > Monty, Hosea 2:19 seems like a very thin thread to hang such an important doctrine on. Well, that’s not all we hang it on, of course. I was just saying that there are words along those lines in the OT. > [@](#): > > In context, “I will betroth you to me forever” (NIV) is God speaking to Israel, not one individual person speaking to another, Or it could be Hosea speaking to his wife. As I said above, not everyone agrees to that rendering. > [@](#): > > and I don’t see any reason to apply it to individual marriages, especially in the light of what Jesus says in the passage referenced above. Well, one reason might be to make our concept “work.” 😉 > [@](#): > > And you’re right about Orbytal. Whether he’s right or wrong (I’m not even touching that question here), that was stunningly tactless. “Tactless” isn’t the word I was considering. ---
**Author:** ![Polly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/da6949/32.png) [@Polly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polly)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2002, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/34 "2002-12-07T03:12:15Z")
It is a question I wonder about. I have buried one man I loved, and will bury another before next summer. Which of them will be there for me when it is my turn? And what sorts of relationships will we have there? Looking forward to seeing loved ones again after death is one of the high hopes of the Christian faith. I hope God has it figured out how it’s all going to work out. Polly ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2002, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/35 "2002-12-07T03:27:35Z")
—The question they ask is not a sincere request for information; they’re trying to force Jesus into admitting that the doctrine of resurrection leads to a logical contradiction (since you can’t be married to more than one person at a time.)— Well, I’m not about to trust the Gospels on who was or was not being sincere, but it seems like a legitimate problem to ask when faced with a doctrine that seems to defied the religious and scriptural tradition. But again, it seems as if Jesus is calling them on lack of knowledge of Scripture. What Scriptural insight on ressurection are they missing? ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2002, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/36 "2002-12-07T04:01:28Z")
I’m curious Monty, how do the LDS deal with the issue of Matt 22 (which, btw, also sums up my feelings on the matter; sex and marriage as we know them are non-issues in heaven)? And who, according to LDS doctrine, awaits a multiple widow in the afterlife? ---
**Author:** ![0rbytal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/0/65b543/32.png) [@0rbytal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/0rbytal)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2002, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/37 "2002-12-07T04:28:12Z")
For Polycarp: I won’t hijack this thread to rebuttle that argument. For Tars Tarkas: Which ones taken out? Baruch, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Tobit, Judith, and the Wisdom of Solomon, plus portions of Esther and Daniel For Monty & c\_carol: Tactless? maybe… but I did get my point across. I am on the same quest as everyone on the SDMB — the quest for the truth. I am just trying to keep people from being misled. For Polly: “looking forward to seeing loved ones again after death”? forgive me if this sounds like an attack, its not (i may just not understand)… Seeing others in heaven would be much lower on my hopes list than thanking God for his GRACE of Salvation… anticipating others waiting on your arrival and having a reunion sounds pretty selfish… ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2002, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/38 "2002-12-07T05:14:54Z")
Orbytal: [My response to your comments here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=148652) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2002, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/39 "2002-12-07T06:15:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by 0rbytal \* > \*\* > For Polly: “looking forward to seeing loved ones again after death”? > forgive me if this sounds like an attack, its not (i may just not understand)… > Seeing others in heaven would be much lower on my hopes list than thanking God for his GRACE of Salvation… anticipating others waiting on your arrival and having a reunion sounds pretty selfish… \*\* Why? Are you expecting to be so short on time that you can’t squeeze a reunion in? ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2002, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822/40 "2002-12-07T07:05:59Z")
Orbytal said > [@](#): > > I recommend The Douay-Rheims version, simply because it was translated directly from the Latin Vulgate, which was written in 382 (long before Luther and his protestant descendents could take stuff out). I think that you will be pleased to know that the _Apocrypha_ is included in many Protestant Bibles. It was also standard in the King James Version until early in the 19th Century. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remarrying-and-then-going-to-heaven/140822.md?page=3)