# Remember Dave Armstrong, Internet Martyr?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remember-dave-armstrong-internet-martyr/164663
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [March 28, 2003, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remember-dave-armstrong-internet-martyr/164663 "2003-03-28T00:51:54Z")
**Posts on this page:** 9
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### Author:  [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2003, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remember-dave-armstrong-internet-martyr/164663/1 "2003-03-28T00:51:54Z")
Some time ago, an internet preacher (and martyr wannabe) named Dave Armstrong stepped into GD for a bit of [self-righteous trollery.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=141830&perpage=50&highlight=dave%20armstrong&pagenumber=4)
It turns out that he has taken the thread, edited it, and put it on his [webpage.](http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ355.HTM)
I seem to remember him cackling about how fun it would be to make us look stupid on his webpage. Ah, here we go:
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> _Originally posted by Dave Armstrong_\*\* I don’t consider a bunch of pompous buffoons sitting around smugly patting themselves on the back and hurling a constant stream of invective against a new participant – because they can’t muster up rational arguments and can’t handle the slightest critique of their views – “good discussion,” sorry.
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> But it makes for an awfully entertaining paper on my website, and will make a great point about dogmatic and arrogant attitudes, as well as commonly-used sophistry and obfuscatory tactics, so all is not lost.
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> Now let’s go see if you can rise above the herd mentality of your friends who hang around this place . . .
\*\*
I must admit, this is a new low for trollery: not only does he troll us, but he sets up a public trophy room to brag about it.
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### Author:  [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2003, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remember-dave-armstrong-internet-martyr/164663/2 "2003-03-28T00:58:11Z")
I’m guessing the Reader’s not going to be all that thrilled with the apparent violation of their copyright on SDMB material, either. What a fuckwit.
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### Author:  [@Anonymous\_Coward](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anonymous_Coward)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2003, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remember-dave-armstrong-internet-martyr/164663/3 "2003-03-28T01:13:57Z")
Whoa! Hold the fucking boat! How come no one ever told me that this board is
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> some sort of agnostic or “rationalist” outlet
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I’m outraged! I’m horrified! I signed up for the intelligent conversation and the occasional TMI thread, but now I see it’s all a lie!
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### Author:  [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2003, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remember-dave-armstrong-internet-martyr/164663/4 "2003-03-28T01:15:46Z")
How do you people find these things? Seriously? Do just go trolling about the internet trying to find things that annoy you? Sheesh.
Anyway, this guy has obviously put far more effort into that website/rebuttal. He needs a good woman to take his mind off things. Or man. Whatever.
And yes, I’m sure the Reader will be very understanding and patient.
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### Author:  [@Darwins\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darwins_Finch)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2003, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remember-dave-armstrong-internet-martyr/164663/5 "2003-03-28T01:17:01Z")
I got top billing in the “vs” group! Woohoo!
I can’t get too worked up about it, really. Unless he’s done some _serious_ editing (I haven’t read through it to find out), he’s only showing the world (or the small portion of it that will actually read his page) what a maroon he really is.
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### Author:  [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2003, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remember-dave-armstrong-internet-martyr/164663/6 "2003-03-28T01:19:12Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Neurotik \*
> \*\*How do you people find these things? Seriously? Do just go trolling about the internet trying to find things that annoy you? Sheesh.
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I was looking for a cite for one of my arguments… and Google gave me back my original argument!
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### Author:  [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2003, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remember-dave-armstrong-internet-martyr/164663/7 "2003-03-28T01:23:01Z")
Hm. I suppose that’s one way.
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### Author:  [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2003, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remember-dave-armstrong-internet-martyr/164663/8 "2003-03-28T02:08:08Z")
I believe they’re also having problems with **Rev Myeru** who refuses to remove the copyrighted material, claiming fair use.
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### Author:  [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2003, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/remember-dave-armstrong-internet-martyr/164663/9 "2003-03-28T02:12:55Z")
I think **Mykeru** is absolutely right in that he may reproduce excerpts of the material for the purpose of criticism so long as he attributes it to the original author.
Satire, criticism and parody are all fair uses under copyright law, and taking a look around shows lots of examples of such use. Quoting portions of a speech in a magazine in order to criticize it or the speaker, for example.