# Renew my Faith in my Fellow Man -- Bump Stocks sell out in Gun Stores **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 5, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034 "2017-10-05T16:43:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/21 "2017-10-05T21:53:46Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Shows what a bunch of dumb fucks that gun enthusiasts are. Just like with every mass shooting, ammo sales go up and gun stocks go up out of paranoia over new laws and regulations that never come. Now they rush to buy something that nobody needs because it has a prayer of passage. That nobody _but a mass murderer_ needs, you mean. So at least some of them aren’t being dumb; they’re just planning ahead. ---
**Author:** ![Trancephalic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trancephalic/32/380_2.png) [@Trancephalic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trancephalic)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/22 "2017-10-05T21:53:56Z")
No. No. No. The most efficient way of dealing with zombie hordes is to cast “revive.” Amateurs. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/23 "2017-10-05T22:28:32Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I gather “machine gun” and “fully automatic” are defined in terms of operation rather than performance, as it were. Exactly. The BATFE defines automatic weapons as firing more than one shot with each trigger pull. The bump stock just makes it it easy to pull the trigger really fast. The same definition makes [this Gatling gun kit](http://www.tacticalinc.com/gatling-gun-kits-c-1285.html) legal. Only one shot per trigger pull. This will be one of the more difficult items to restrict if they grandfather existing units. It’s an ideal project for a 3D printer and there will be practically no way to tell if I printed it yesterday or a year after the ban goes into effect. I’ve checked and plans are already available. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/24 "2017-10-05T22:34:36Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > [Gun Stores Selling Out Of Bump Stocks After Shooter Used Them In Las Vegas Massacre | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bump-stock-sales-las-vegas_us_59d61b0ce4b0cde45873319d?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009) > > Gotta get 'em all, before they get outlawed. Because you need a bump stock to … well, to utterly anhilate and liquefy deer, I guess. Pretty much the same reason that the vast majority of gun owners own guns, sometimes dozens of them. That principal reason actually came out quite well in one of the threads in GD: basically, shooting stuff is “fun”, and shooting stuff with a machine gun is even more fun. You can’t ask for a better justification than that for some 30,000 preventable lives lost to guns every year, and a nation awash in guns and shattered by gun violence – because you can’t put a price on fun! > [@running\_coach](#): > > The weird thing is, if they get banned, they become illegal. Unless they get grandfathered in, you won’t get to keep what you just bought. No, the gun nuts get to keep them as long as they don’t tell the wrong people about it, just all their gun-nut friends. This is the whole basis of the huge upsurge in the sales of guns and gun-related paraphernalia whenever there is the slightest hint of regulation. Float a suggestion that maybe deranged psychotics might not be allowed to buy guns, and deranged psychotics come out of the woodwork and line up at gun stores to buy them by the bushel-load. Of course, all this crap about gun violence in the US is just bad statistics. There is no gun violence in the US, and if there is, it can be solved with more guns. Try to think logically! ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/25 "2017-10-05T22:36:48Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > You’ll be happy to have a couple when the zombies rise up. No, and it doesn’t matter what kind of zombie. If head shots are needed, I ideally want a rifle for long-range engagement, possibly something with selectable three-round burst, but definitely a semi-auto or bolt action. A semi-auto pistol for close work. Ideally a larger caliber than 5.56 as well. If head shots aren’t needed, and it’s something more like John Ringo’s Black Tide Rising series (think rage zombies that can be killed like any normal human but no infection danger other than real-world from wounds), I’m going to want a Saiga-12 or the like with 00 buckshot. If you want precision, use a rifle. If you want automatic rates of fire, get an actual assault rifle. Don’t bounce around a semi-auto like an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/26 "2017-10-05T22:50:38Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > \*\* Renew my Faith in my Fellow Man\*\* Perhaps [the NRA publicly coming out against bump stocks](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41519815) will help with that. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/27 "2017-10-05T23:32:26Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Perhaps [the NRA publicly coming out against bump stocks](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41519815) will help with that. No, it will not. Does anyone for one microsecond believe that the NRA is doing this in support of mitigating gun violence and saving lives? The organization that has been single-handedly responsible for scuttling so much gun control legislation and is largely responsible for leading the US to have the highest rate of gun violence in the civilized world? Every single thing they do is a carefully calculated political strategy intended to bolster their influence and increase gun proliferation. The idea of the NRA as an organization dedicated to gun sportsmanship and gun safety started disappearing as early as the 1930s and vanished entirely by the mid-70s with the solidification of the NRA as a political powerhouse with their “Institute for Legislative Action” and the “Political Victory Fund”. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/28 "2017-10-05T23:38:13Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The weird thing is, if they get banned, they become illegal. Unless they get grandfathered in, you won’t get to keep what you just bought. And then the conservitosphere will start bitching about how Obama’s minions are coming to take away rights. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/29 "2017-10-05T23:51:37Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Perhaps [the NRA publicly coming out against bump stocks](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41519815) will help with that. Well, if by “coming out against” you mean “slap some regulations on” From your cite: > [@](#): > > The National Rifle Association has called for “additional regulations” on bump-stocks, a rapid fire device used by the Las Vegas massacre gunman. > > The group said: “Devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations.” Granted, it’s weird to see the NRA even calling for more regulations on something. But they aren’t calling for getting rid of them, or to cease selling them, or anything. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2017, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/30 "2017-10-05T23:55:02Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > [Gun Stores Selling Out Of Bump Stocks After Shooter Used Them In Las Vegas Massacre | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bump-stock-sales-las-vegas_us_59d61b0ce4b0cde45873319d?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009) > > Gotta get 'em all, before they get outlawed. Because you need a bump stock to … well, to utterly anhilate and liquefy deer, I guess. YEEEeeeeeeeeah-HAAAAwwwwww! Pew pew pew. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/31 "2017-10-06T02:40:05Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Renew my Faith in my Fellow Man – Bump Stocks sell out in Gun Stores Your faith is misplaced. I would think you knew this by now. Sheesh! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/32 "2017-10-06T12:14:04Z")
Guns don’t kill people, bump stocks kill people!!! So apparently agree-eth the NRA.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/33 "2017-10-06T12:58:53Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Rifle axe. Hell yes. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/34 "2017-10-06T13:08:38Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Rifle axe. [Swordsplosion!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-wmAcwZmKc) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/35 "2017-10-06T13:56:32Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > No. > > **Mythbusters** proved conclusively that a standard rifle will score more zombie kills shots (has to be in the brain!) in a shorter period of time that a machine gun. That’s peculiar. I’d almost expect a team purportedly dedicated to busting myths to have rendered such a question moot by proving that zombies can’t exist. ETA: btw, his name is Dave _ **BARRY** _. I really wish you’d fix that. It’s been driving me crazy. ---
**Author:** ![ZonexandScout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zonexandscout/32/544_2.png) [@ZonexandScout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZonexandScout)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/36 "2017-10-06T14:43:38Z")
I don’t know if the OP was around for the AWB in the 1990s, but this is not at all unexpected. Prior to the AWB becoming effective, there was all sorts of speculation in high-capacity (\>10 rounds) magazines, as well as in many different weapons themselves. I knew people who were buying up pre-ban Glock magazines for $50 each, expecting to re-sell them during the ban for $100+. We all know what happened a few years later. One of the most curious variations was the (temporary) production of some truly odd firearms, like the Romanian semi-auto AK-47s that would only accept single-column (10-round) magazines. The quality was pretty bad (but being AK-47s, they worked). There was absolutely no point to this except being able to have a weapon that appeared to be a “banned” weapon. Heck, even Cuban cigars aren’t what they once were (and other cigars have improved a great deal), but look at how many people smuggle them in and flaunt them. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/37 "2017-10-06T15:02:36Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > And then the conservitosphere will start bitching about how Obama’s minions are coming to take away rights. My mistake. Apparently, the shooting in Las Vegas [was President Obama’s fault](https://uk.news.yahoo.com/kellyanne-conway-blames-obama-not-160644640.html). Good grief. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/38 "2017-10-06T15:11:52Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > My mistake. Apparently, the shooting in Las Vegas [was President Obama’s fault](https://uk.news.yahoo.com/kellyanne-conway-blames-obama-not-160644640.html). Good grief. Our resident Trumpdroids have already pulled that one. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/39 "2017-10-06T15:13:56Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > My mistake. Apparently, the shooting in Las Vegas [was President Obama’s fault](https://uk.news.yahoo.com/kellyanne-conway-blames-obama-not-160644640.html). Good grief. That answers my question: > [@Stupid Republican idea of the day](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/35189): > > Fox News can’t decide if CNN or the lack of religion is the cause of the shootings in Las Vegas. > [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fox-friends-las-vegas-shooting\_us\_59d37e17e4b065578155646a](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fox-friends-las-vegas-shooting_us_59d37e17e4b065578155646a) > [@Stupid Republican idea of the day](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/35190): > > What? Can’t they find a way to blame Obama and Hillary? Losing their touch. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/40 "2017-10-06T15:18:15Z")
> [@ZonexandScout](#): > > I don’t know if the OP was around for the AWB in the 1990s, but this is not at all unexpected. Prior to the AWB becoming effective, there was all sorts of speculation in high-capacity (\>10 rounds) magazines, as well as in many different weapons themselves. I knew people who were buying up pre-ban Glock magazines for $50 each, expecting to re-sell them during the ban for $100+. We all know what happened a few years later. > > One of the most curious variations was the (temporary) production of some truly odd firearms, like the Romanian semi-auto AK-47s that would only accept single-column (10-round) magazines. The quality was pretty bad (but being AK-47s, they worked). There was absolutely no point to this except being able to have a weapon that appeared to be a “banned” weapon. > > Heck, even Cuban cigars aren’t what they once were (and other cigars have improved a great deal), but look at how many people smuggle them in and flaunt them. I spent a minute think to myself “But the Average White Band broke up by the 1990s. The reunited group just wasn’t the same. And what’s that got to do with Bump Stocks?” Then I finally realized that your “AWB” must mean “Assault Weapons Ban” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034.md?page=3)