# Renew my Faith in my Fellow Man -- Bump Stocks sell out in Gun Stores **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 5, 2017, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034 "2017-10-05T16:43:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/41 "2017-10-06T16:34:44Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > Even if I wanted one, and in other circumstances I can imagine being a gun nut, I would find it embarrassing to ask for them so soon. > [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > If a ban is implemented, (probably unlikely) those bump stocks in circulation will be grandfathered in. There is no record of who has them, and even if there were no ATF agents are going to bust into someones house to try to collect them. At best it may be made illegal to use them, and possibly made illegal to sell them, less helpful would be to make it illegal to manufacture them. But any ban is going to make the price (black market or otherwise) sky rocket, so some people may think its a good investment. > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Id be willing to bet that a lot of these are being purchased by people that never knew they existed before this week. > > I see the same thing happen all the time with “legal highs” -legal substances intended to mimic the effects of an illegal drug. > > Someone will get some community outrage going over “People are buying a synthetic or legal herbal version of pot-coke-heroin-valium-whatever. It’s a very strong and powerful and dangerous substance and that gets people really really high. And you can buy it on Amazon! This must be stopped! We need to create awareness!” > > At which point thousands of people that had never heard of this substance have their awareness increased and they go on Amazon and buy this stuff up as fast as they can and sales soar through the roof. > > I think the same thing is happening here. It does seem odd that, after a man goes out and kills dozens, injuring hundreds more, people go out and buy the tools that he used to commit this violence, and people think that’s just great, how american they are being. After most tragedies like this, we look at ways of preventing the next one, and anyone going out and buying the tools that created the tragedy would be looked at with suspicion. Hell, I got a dirty look for buying a box cutter almost 2 months after 9/11, and I had a completely legitimate need, I had boxes that needed cutting. But, when it comes to guns, people flock out to buy the tools that that mass murderer used, and not only do the retailers not give any suspicion, they welcome the business. When someone comes in, and says, “Hook me up witht the same guns as Paddock killed all those people with.” the retailer is going to say, “Sure, here’s an AR-15, and this is how you install the bump stock.” The only question the gun retailer will have will be “Cash, check, or charge?” ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/42 "2017-10-06T17:48:15Z")
Tucker Carlson sez Bump Stocks Save Lives: > [@Tucker Carlson](#): > > “Many more would’ve died actually because if you talk to people who know a lot about guns they say pros don’t even fire on fully automatic because they can’t hit anything,” Carlson insisted. > > He later added, “I’m not defending bump stocks, I’m just saying, let’s be real.” > **[Tucker Carlson: Las Vegas shooter's bump stock saved lives](https://www.salon.com/2017/10/06/tucker-carlson-las-vegas-shooters-bump-stock-saved-lives/)** > > The Fox News talking head took a position on bump stocks that even the Republican Party and NRA hasn't adopted I have no faith to spare, **CalMeacham**. Wish I could. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/43 "2017-10-06T17:52:31Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Tucker Carlson “Many more would’ve died actually because if you talk to people who know a lot about guns they say pros don’t even fire on fully automatic because they can’t hit anything,” Carlson insisted. Unless, of course, you are not really aiming at a specific thing, but rather at a densely packed throng of human beings at a concert. Details, details. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/44 "2017-10-06T18:18:34Z")
You want to see your faith in humanity tested? Fine. [Bill Gates literally challenges you to this test](https://www.gatesnotes.com/Development/World-IQ-Quiz) about the state of worldwide humanity. See if you’re better at knowing what/how humanity is doing around the world than one of the worlds preeminent humanitarian philanthropists. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/45 "2017-10-06T18:22:06Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Unless, of course, you are not really aiming at a specific thing, but rather at a densely packed throng of human beings at a concert. Details, details. Well, if you miss the person that you were aiming for in a crowd, the bullet just magically disappears, and cannot do any more harm. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/46 "2017-10-06T19:01:40Z")
> [@Trancephalic](#): > > No. No. No. > The most efficient way of dealing with zombie hordes is to cast “revive.” Amateurs. Do you have to build up your mana, though, or is it infinite? ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/47 "2017-10-06T19:49:32Z")
> [@Mtgman](#): > > You want to see your faith in humanity tested? Fine. [Bill Gates literally challenges you to this test](https://www.gatesnotes.com/Development/World-IQ-Quiz) about the state of worldwide humanity. See if you’re better at knowing what/how humanity is doing around the world than one of the worlds preeminent humanitarian philanthropists. > > Enjoy, > Steven Thanks. This is encouraging. I got 6/10 although I would have gotten fewer if I hadn’t spotted the pattern. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/48 "2017-10-06T20:10:42Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > It looks like they are very easy to make with legal easy to acquire parts. I have no quarter for the argument that “people can easily make whatever you ban”. Can people make this stuff at home? Perhaps, but evidence suggests that gun nuts are a bunch of lazy dumbshits who are apparently so intimidated by the idea of making their own gear that they clean out the gun stores at the mere mention of the ban. Paying sky-high shortage prices, I might add. Yeah, these rugged individualists are totally gonna make their own bump stocks. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/49 "2017-10-06T21:10:56Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I have no quarter for the argument that “people can easily make whatever you ban”. Can people make this stuff at home? Perhaps, but evidence suggests that gun nuts are a bunch of lazy dumbshits who are apparently so intimidated by the idea of making their own gear that they clean out the gun stores at the mere mention of the ban. Paying sky-high shortage prices, I might add. Yeah, these rugged individualists are totally gonna make their own bump stocks. :rolleyes: There was an effort to 3-D print an AR-15 receiver. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/50 "2017-10-06T21:22:39Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Perhaps [the NRA publicly coming out against bump stocks](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41519815) will help with that. I doubt it. Personally I’m all for banning bump stocks and then refusing to grandfather. I wouldn’t mind if the Gov made a “limited time offer” to turn them all in for a small reward (to cover the cost) and then make it a felony if you get caught with one after that grace period is over. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/51 "2017-10-06T21:24:42Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The weird thing is, if they get banned, they become illegal. Unless they get grandfathered in, you won’t get to keep what you just bought. I had wondered this about folks who rushed to buy guns after Obama won in 2008, but before Obama took office in 2009. I understand that they felt guns would be harder to buy under Obama, but didn’t it occur to them that if Obama really were that anti-gun, he’d just confiscate their guns after they bought it? Better to have it and take chances than not have it, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/52 "2017-10-06T21:27:23Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I doubt it. > > Personally I’m all for banning bump stocks and then refusing to grandfather. > > I wouldn’t mind if the Gov made a “limited time offer” to turn them all in for a small reward (to cover the cost) and then make it a felony if you get caught with one after that grace period is over. I wouldn’t mind if anyone found in possession of one after such time was charged with “conspiracy to carry out mass murder” and tossed in prison for life. But that’s just me. Don’t think it would fly. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/53 "2017-10-06T23:35:52Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I had wondered this about folks who rushed to buy guns after Obama won in 2008, but before Obama took office in 2009. I understand that they felt guns would be harder to buy under Obama, but didn’t it occur to them that if Obama really were that anti-gun, he’d just confiscate their guns after they bought it? > > Better to have it and take chances than not have it, I guess. My brain tries to assume these people have a modicum of logic to their name, which forces me to assume that their explicit planned intention is to use their new guns to shoot the government officials going to seize them. It’s not really a pleasant thought. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/54 "2017-10-06T23:38:41Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I wouldn’t mind if anyone found in possession of one after such time was charged with “conspiracy to carry out mass murder” and tossed in prison for life. I find your ideas intriguing, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/55 "2017-10-06T23:45:24Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I had wondered this about folks who rushed to buy guns after Obama won in 2008, but before Obama took office in 2009. I understand that they felt guns would be harder to buy under Obama, but didn’t it occur to them that if Obama really were that anti-gun, he’d just confiscate their guns after they bought it? Nonsense. They could hide their arms just like the noble resistance fighters did in WWII when the Nazis came around the farms and villages – give the invaders an old rusty hunting rifle while secreting all the good stuff in the thatch on the barn. Or better yet, when the jackbooted thugs of ATF come a-knocking, grab their trusty AR-15 with the red dot sight and the bump stock and the supersized magazine and mow those evil suckers down! Then rally all their righteous neighbors and march down to Washington and arrest the traitorous gun-grabbers and string them up! Yaaaarrrggghhhh!!! USA! USA! USA! ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2017, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/56 "2017-10-06T23:53:24Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > I spent a minute think to myself “But the Average White Band broke up by the 1990s. The reunited group just wasn’t the same. And what’s that got to do with Bump Stocks?” > > Then I finally realized that your “AWB” must mean “Assault Weapons Ban” They were the only band I saw on Soul Train that played live. Just to show that a half-dozen Scotsmen could really play that. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > There was an effort to 3-D print an AR-15 receiver. Has 3D printing evolved enough to print one that wouldn’t explode the first time it was fired. Been outta the game too long. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![neofishboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/neofishboy/32/444_2.png) [@neofishboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neofishboy)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2017, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/57 "2017-10-07T00:02:34Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I find your ideas intriguing, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Don’t. It’s mostly months-old sports scores, “open letters” to owners of local businesses and bafflingly hostile interviews with Spanish porn stars. I tried cancelling like three times but it keeps showing up. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2017, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/58 "2017-10-07T00:48:37Z")
Really? In that case I find YOUR ideas intriguing, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Belay that. I get you free already, with only a slight (major) fear that my useless dogs will pee on my computer. When I was being taught to shoot it was with single-shot .22s. The point of the operation was accuracy. I cannot imagine any fun spraying and praying expensive ammunition from a weapon that walks so bad the that hitting the side of a barn is a a chore, unless your joy comes from slaughtering people penned in so aim is unnecessary. You want rapid-fire noise? Light off a pack of Black Cats. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2017, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/59 "2017-10-07T01:42:23Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **dropzone** : > > Has 3D printing evolved enough to print one that wouldn’t explode the first time it was fired. Been outta the game too long. Yup, they have 3d-printed guns now that won’t explode until the second or third firing. A bit silly, really, given that the printers needed to accomplish even that cost more than a CRC mill. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2017, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034/60 "2017-10-07T01:49:19Z")
I mean, THAT! How fucking stupid are these people, saving a few bucks to blow their own faces off? FTR, had a Black Cat go off an inch from my fingers. Unpleasant, but survivable, [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-my-faith-in-my-fellow-man-bump-stocks-sell-out-in-gun-stores/798034.md?page=4)