# Renew the Assault Weapons ban. I dare ya! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 12, 2004, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127 "2004-09-12T12:18:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![BF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5ac83/32.png) [@BF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BF)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/201 "2004-10-06T14:28:36Z")
Probably for the same reasons some people like to characterize 2nd Amendment supporters as suffering from penis envy or the like… > [@demannlash](#): > > masturbating feverishly while sniffing the breach and getting off on the gunpowder residue with a spare magazine stuffed up your ass. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/202 "2004-10-06T14:39:55Z")
> [@BF](#): > > Probably for the same reasons some people like to characterize 2nd Amendment supporters as suffering from penis envy or the like… > > > [@demannlash](#): > > > > masturbating feverishly while sniffing the breach and getting off on the gunpowder residue with a spare magazine stuffed up your ass. People like demannlash. People that that don’t know anything about guns other than they are afraid of them, often sink to ridiculous insults because the facts about gun ownership and semi-automatic guns get in the way. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/203 "2004-10-06T19:39:42Z")
**marky33:** the “whiny” and “spinelss” got added on because I don’t think “shitsplat” is aesthetically pleasing (or scatalogically complete) without additional adjectives. > [@](#): > > If I you would like to start a thread, I’d be happy to join in. You mean we gotta do the whole thing all over again? :rolleyes: I just tried _twice_, with my broadband connection, to do a search of Great Debates using “Gun Control” as my keyword. Both times I got timed out. I may have tried a third time, but I didn’t want to blow the seals out of the Hampster Wheels of the Board. Suffice to say that “Gun Control” is a horse which has not only been flogged to death, but flogged into McNugget-sized gobbets of putrescent horseflesh, scooped up, incenerated, scattered to the four winds, collected up again, watered into a clay-like substance, made into an urn, thrown down and shattered, stomped on until the consistency of talcum powder, sweapt up, snorted like cocaine, hocked up as huge, green, slimy loogies, smeared all over the walls of an insane asylum which was demolished, bulldozed into one huge pile, set on fire… ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/204 "2004-10-06T19:56:25Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > I just tried _twice_, with my broadband connection, to do a search of Great Debates using “Gun Control” as my keyword. Both times I got timed out. I may have tried a third time, but I didn’t want to blow the seals out of the Hampster Wheels of the Board. I just tried as well. The word “gun” is too short for the search engine. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/205 "2004-10-06T20:32:52Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > Suffice to say that “Gun Control” is a horse which has not only been flogged to death, but flogged into McNugget-sized gobbets of putrescent horseflesh, scooped up, incenerated, scattered to the four winds, collected up again, watered into a clay-like substance, made into an urn, thrown down and shattered, stomped on until the consistency of talcum powder, sweapt up, snorted like cocaine, hocked up as huge, green, slimy loogies, smeared all over the walls of an insane asylum which was demolished, bulldozed into one huge pile, set on fire… Fucking priceless, man. I salute you. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/206 "2004-10-06T21:55:50Z")
Try this: [Let Americans Provide Their Own Security](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=273847) [Guns: A Public Health Approach](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=264986) [A Well Regulated Militia](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=261146) [Educate The Issue Ignorant: Gun Control](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=258437) [Guns, Freedom and Power](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=254079) [Toss Up Your Reasons NOT To Allow Concealed Carry, And I’ll (Heh) Shoot Them Down.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=237976) [Is the Second Amendment Meant To Facilitate Armed Rebellion?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=201061) [What Does The First Half Of The Second Amendment Mean?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=197215) [The Straight Dope On The Second Amendment](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=179028) [Does The Second Amendment Provide A Right To Self Defence In One’s Home? (D.C. Suit)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=162252) [Wow…The Great Debates Is Deep (Gun Control).](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=23835) [1st vs. 2nd Amendment](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=139961) [Am I Missing The Point About Law And Its Enforcement?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=139406) [Why Are There So Many Murders In The US?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=133437) That’s just page **One** of a **Two-Page-Plus-Change** result of searching The Straight Dope with the key words, “Firearms Control Second Amendment.” The order is reverse chronological (newest first). When you’ve finished this homework assignment, come back for page two. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/207 "2004-10-06T22:21:23Z")
God. That was a fucking stroll down memory lane. Who the fuck was [THIS](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=421311&postcount=111) putz? ---
**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/208 "2004-10-06T22:40:31Z")
> [@smartini](#): > > It would be interesting to see what would happen in our country if we did really have a total ban on guns. Well, just look at the statistics of those countries that did ban guns. They vary, but none of them so far look like they are reducing crime. ---
**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/209 "2004-10-06T22:53:38Z")
> [@marky33](#): > > This is such a stupid argument. Guns are the only component of that list that are built specifically to kill and as such have no place in decent, everyday society. > Less guns = less gun crime = good. How is that not obvious? You dumb shit. Sometimes it’s _good_ to kill. Like the ice addicted weapon-toting criminal that just broke in your house intending to kill you, your spouse and your kids. What’s that? You say it’s better to let it kill you and yours? Unfortunately, less guns ≠ less gun crime, as [Professor John Lott](http://www.johnrlott.com/), and several others, have determined. In some cases less guns = more violent crime = bad. Gun bans = more violent crime = stupid. How is that not obvious? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/210 "2004-10-07T00:39:03Z")
> [@marky33](#): > > BTW: whiny, shitsplat - ok. But how do you reason that someone who disagrees with gun-greed is spineless? The following is a generalization, not specifically targetted at you, as I haven’t observed your behavior enough to make any analysis. Feel free to think it’s bunk, but it’s a motive that a _lot_ of people share in my experience. May just be an arrogant interpretation on my part, but I’m generally pretty good at figuring out why people do what they do. Many, and probably most, very males (especially feminized european types) who are outspoken advocates of gun control, in my observation, have chosen a sheep-like attitude to cede their ultimate personal responsibility of defense to real men of authority, generally in the form of government/police. They’ve chosen to not ultimately be responsible for themselves, but rather, to become dependent on the authority of stronger men who rule over and (ideally) protect them. When they see other strong, individual men who have chosen to be ultimately responsible for themselves and their families rather than cede that responsibility to authority figures, they become resentful. So long as their peers do the same as them, they’re comfortable living without that responsibility, but when confronted with independent people who haven’t chosen to live as they do, it reminds them of their failings, of choosing comfort over responsibility and decision. (And yes, I do believe living a sheep-like existance, not being ultimately responsible for yourself, is a failing). This motive doesn’t only manifest itself in people who are outspoken gun control advocates - it pops up in a lot of collectivist thinkers who cede ultimate responsibility of their lives to a controlling authority (government). But the divide seems to be more evident and clear cut on gun control more than other collectivist/individualist issues. In any case, this resentment motivates them to attack strong, independent people for being dumb brutes, unelightened as they are, and such. In no way am I saying that this applies to all male gun control advocates, but the outspoken ones tend to show signs of compensating for resentment more than simply really believing in a position. And when that is the case, as if often is, the accusation of being “spineless” is pretty accurate. ---
**Author:** ![demannlash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/41988e/32.png) [@demannlash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/demannlash)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/211 "2004-10-07T00:43:15Z")
> [@](#): > > **enipla:** > People like demannlash. People that that don’t know anything about guns other than they are afraid of them, often sink to ridiculous insults because the facts about gun ownership and semi-automatic guns get in the way. Your a bit of a knob, aren’t you, **enipla**? You obviously haven’t read all of this thread, have you? > [@](#): > > **SnakeSpirit:** > Sometimes it’s good to kill I hope this person doesn’t own a firearm, for other people’s safety. > [@](#): > > Well, just look at the statistics of those countries that did ban guns. > They vary, but none of them so far look like they are reducing crime. Please provide some legitimate findings for the above statement, Or…CITE!! **ExTank** I give in, just no more reading…well, I don’t and never will give in on this topic. No problems with people owning weapons. I have a problem with morons being able to get a semi auto military style firearm and legally be able to store it leaning against a wall, behind their bedroom door while quoting a law written in 1776(?)(which had relevance to muzzle loading muskets and their protection in a lawless, policeless developing country) which anables them to do so now, in the present day. Can you see where I’m coming from? **GaWd** > [@](#): > > I’ve tried numbers and figures You are yet to provide any relative, recent figures. I really don’t give a fuck what happens In the USA, I reckon you lot need an outside perspective though to try and sort out some of the shit that you experience on a daily basis with regards to firearms. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/212 "2004-10-07T00:45:09Z")
That was over-explained and could’ve got the message across a few lines shorter. Ah well. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/213 "2004-10-07T00:50:58Z")
> [@demannlash](#): > > I have a problem with morons being able to get a semi auto military style firearm and legally be able to store it leaning against a wall, behind their bedroom door … Why? I can see where your sentiment is coming from, but practically speaking, “military style weapons” are used in an exceedingly small number of crimes, for various reasons. They’re not especially lethal, despite what you probably ignorantly believe, not knowing their capabilities, they’re not concealable, they provide really no benefit to the common criminal over a handgun, or in some cases shotgun, but have numerous disadvantages for commiting crime or even killing. Those weapons are not particularly suited to crime nor inflicting death. They are the stripped versions of weapons that, in themselves, while more powerful, are not particularly suited to crime or inflicting death in a shooting spree type of atmosphere. If you understand the capability and designs for military weapons compared to what is suitable for crime or suitable for lethality in, say, a school shooting, you’d realize that while the weapons look scary, and your hollywood education exaggerates their capabilities, they are really not very suitable for people wishing to inflict harm on others. And even if they were well suited - well, they’re simply not being used in that capacity. A miniscule amount of crimes are commited with a rifle of any type, fewer with an “assault weapon”. Your perceptions are distorted due to personal bias, lack of education (hollywood certainly doesn’t count) and lack of experience as to the capabilities and actual usage of the weapons you describe. You seem to be having nothing but an emotional reaction over a personal you bias you have against scary looking weapons. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/214 "2004-10-07T00:52:32Z")
To be clear, when I say “suitable to crime”, I mean useful in muggings, robberies, whatever else. When I say “suitable to kill”, I’m responding to the idea that they’re especially powerful for colombine-type situations, which seems to be what most of the emotional reactions are based on. ---
**Author:** ![demannlash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/41988e/32.png) [@demannlash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/demannlash)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/215 "2004-10-07T00:54:30Z")
> [@](#): > > **SenorBeef:** > That was over-explained and could’ve got the message across a few lines shorter. Ah well. And a complete load of shit to boot. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/216 "2004-10-07T00:55:58Z")
> [@demannlash](#): > > Nothing at all in response to the direct question I asked him. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/217 "2004-10-07T01:16:58Z")
**Sensor:** [that](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5338231&postcount=210) rocked! ---
**Author:** ![demannlash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/41988e/32.png) [@demannlash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/demannlash)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/218 "2004-10-07T01:23:25Z")
**SenorBeef** > [@](#): > > not knowing their capabilities… > your hollywood education exaggerates their capabilities… > lack of experience as to the capabilities and actual usage of the weapons you describe… For you and others. I am well versed in shooting, I have been brought up with the use of firearms. I have been an occupational shooter where I have been employed to destroyed a variety of feral animals, large to small via large scale control methods. I have had military training with regards to shooting. I am an excellent marksman…hence the employment. I have and still do own a variety of legal, safely stored firearms and previously owned high powered semi automatic weapons that I used for work. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/219 "2004-10-07T01:24:36Z")
> [@demannlash](#): > > And a complete load of shit to boot. :rolleyes: And as for the numbers, well, I just don’t give a fuck enough to pull out a book on gun control stats, or scour the web for another nicely laid-out table like the first one I found. I highly doubt we need an outside opinion such as yours to aid us in conquering all of those eeeevil gun owners who :gasp: own semi automatic weapons. To think I generally like and admire most Aussies, too. :smack: Sam ---
**Author:** ![demannlash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/41988e/32.png) [@demannlash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/demannlash)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127/220 "2004-10-07T01:39:06Z")
> [@](#): > > **GaWd:** > …nicely laid-out table like the first one I found You forgot the words “out dated” in that sentence. > [@](#): > > To think I generally like and admire most Aussies, too. Fortunately, most Aussies hold similar opinions on gun control to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-i-dare-ya/264127.md?page=12)