Just how is anyone supposed to know if the gun you bought the ammo for is illegal or not? Same way nobody knows if the gas you just purchased was for a stolen car.
And you claim to own a gun…
Now I’m scared.
I noticed a few things in this way too long thread that I take exception to, as a gun owner who never killed, wounded, robbed (or anything else) anyone. Once again, people are using what amounts to an “I’m a parent think of the kids” argument. Another is the assumption that because someone somewhere might do something we must outlaw it for everyone.
We already have laws that restrict or forbid full automatic weapons. We already have what one poster calls ugly pieces of crap (so called assault weapons). We already have cities that make it impossible to get any sort of gun (unless you’re rich, powerful or famous). None of these laws has even put a dent in any crime. It is so easy for the criminals to get any gun they want, and they can go their merry way, secure in the knowledge that their victims are unarmed and unprotected. Why? Because honest people obey all the antigun laws, while criminals do not. Should we outlaw everything that could be used as a weapon? Anything you can get your hands on can be a weapon. Guns, knives, cars, ball bats, furniture, a big rock, anything. Maybe we need to start amputating hands too, to stop all those might be stranglers. Let’s outlaw sports, because strong people can do more damage than weak people. Let’s outlaw EVERYTHING.
HPL
Pretty sure it’s the ammunition that kills people, the projectile out of the case etc or do your firearms work differently HPL. Relating guns to cars…moron.
GaWD and Weirddave. Read the stats you cited again. You have mis-understood the figures and what they actually represent. Violent deaths are all deaths that are violent: It’s like comparing fleas to the kuiper belt.
They understood them correctly, which is to say that if people aren’t shooting others to death, they’ll kill them in some other way.
‘Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed outa windows?’ -Archie Bunker.
catsix you dumbass, read the stats and what they’re for, give an intelligent answer or shutup. Even better read the stats I linked to…they aren’t as outdated as those that have been linked to before. That’s right, they don’t make any sense in the argument your giving.
More guns=more gun related crime. Yes/No?
Lock up guns safely…if your not using them…or masturbating feverishly while sniffing the breach and getting off on the gunpowder residue with a spare magazine stuffed up your ass.
This is such a stupid argument. Guns are the only component of that list that are built specifically to kill and as such have no place in decent, everyday society.
Less guns = less gun crime = good. How is that not obvious?
Some people need killin’.
Wasn’t the whole assault rifle ban basically admitting it doesn’t have that trust, though? Not completely anway.
And millions of us LOAD OUR OWN!!!
Oh, the horror…
No, I haven’t. You are misrepresenting what they say because you don’t want to admit that I’m right. In the US, for every 100K in population, 18.57 people were killed, while in Oz it’s 14.65 per 100K. That means that, with the noted differenece of 3.9 people per 100K, the murder rates are similar. Almost the same number of people per 100K of population are being killed, who giuves a rat fuck weather they are shot, bludgeoned or stabbed? Oh, wait, <u>you</u> do, because you’re adoped a stance wholely unsupported by facts that guns somehow cause people to kill each other. Go take a course in statistics and how to read them, and then come back when you’re not talking out of your ass.
What was that about the government trusting its citizens???
demannlash: about the only thing you’ve said that I can come close to agreeing with is your position on safe storage of firearms. Since a healthy chunk of the guns “hitting the streets” come from home robberies, a solid safe, bolted and locked, seems like a damned good idea.
How’s about a reality check:
- She screams her lungs out.
- Rapist pistol whips her, breaking her jaw, sticks the gun he already had to her head and says, “Bitch, if you make another sound I will blow your fucking head off!”
Or, alternatively:
- She says, “FREEZE, shithead! If you so much as breathe wrong, you’re dead!”
- The police come and take Mr. I-Wanna-Rape-Bitches away for a nice long stay in a very small room without a view.
All of your “bash him/scratch him” bullshit engages a female against a male in a physical melee. Odds are that the female will be at a disadvantage (height, weight, reach, physical strength). Why the fuck should she be forced to fight a criminal assailant on his terms?
marky33:
Yes, it is, but idiots like you keep bringing it up over-and-over again.
So, your real beef is that guns are made specifically to kill?
Does that mean that murders committed with knives and blunt instruments are okay (as long as we’re talking about kitchen knives and baseball bats, as they were never designed specifically to kill)?
And the less guns = less gun crimes may be true, but less guns /= less violent crime is also demonstrably true, as demannlash’s Down-Under stats have shown, as the US crims stats have shown, as the GB crime stats have shown… need I go on?
As I ask folks constantly in these and related threads, why is being killed with a gun so much worse morally than being stabbed to death? Than being bludgeoned to death? Than being doused with gasoline and burned to death? Than having rat poison dropped inyour morning hot beverage by your pissed-off SO until you drop dead?
You and your kind get so intently focused on :gasp: GUN DEATHS! and how bad they are :rolleyes: that you completely ignore that they are only one variable component in the violent crime equation.
Obviously you fucking obtuse moron, it does make you feel better that they’re pushed out of windows.
The point, shitbrain, is that banning guns hasn’t given Australia the ‘lower violent death rate’ that you seem to claim it does. It’s caused murderers to find new tools.
Shot, stabbed, strangled, beaten or thrown off a fucking train, the murders are still happening. I thought your goal was to reduce the murders?
…And that was followed by a decrease in shooting deaths from 643 to 543. In unrelated news, the number of strangulation deaths increased by fifty, while the number of stabbing deaths increased by fifty also.
What’s obvious?
I fought rapists on their terms. I lost.
Never, ever again.
demannlash:
No, it ain’t.
I don’t have to “give a shit” about anything. I can be a complete nihilist.
“Ve belief in nothink, Lebowski!”
:singing:
"I’m an asshole!
A! S-S! H-O! L-E!
I’m an asshole!"
As long as me and mine don’t hurt you and yours (and vicey-versy), I don’t hafta give a plugged nickel about you or anyone else.
That I do actually care (sometimes) is an indication that I’m not a TOTAL asshole.
You missed the point entirely. There are is no ammunition that work just in ILLEGAL or LEGAL guns and even handgun ammuntion can be used in certain rifles. It’s almost impossible to by the ammution if the gun for it is legal or not.
And I relate guns to car because it’s an analogy most people understand easily. The two also have the dubious distinction of being very dangerous in the hands of the stupid or the criminal.
The assualt weapons ban works very nicely in this way, because it was the equivlent of saying that your car is “EVIL” if you put a spoiler on it.
Because most gun owners would say that
Less guns != less gun crime and thus the = Good, does not come into it.
Demann, you’re either obtuse, or obfuscating.
No matter the tool, a murder victim is still dead. It doesn’t matter what tool is used, IMO. As I said previously, and you ignored, ban one tool, another tool will become the weapon of choice. From your stats, 38% of murders involved a tool other than a gun. So almost 60% of murders involved a tool in Aus.
Murder is murder, and I don’t care if a ball of yarn or a knitting needle are the weapons used, it’s still murder. Similarly, I don’t hold anything against firearms just because they are the weapon of choice for people who commit said crime. And I certainly don’t think that banning them will help us-they haven’t helped in Aus or the UK very much at all.
Sam
Weirddave
No worries, one step ahead of you, I got a degree in statistics a few years ago…will that do? Now, the statistics you are piping on about are ancient, they are ten years old. They mean fuck all. And, you’ve still read them wrong. Read my cites. But that point is off on a tangent, the point I was initially trying to emphasize is why does a member of the public need or want a military style weapon that is designed to kill more people more efficiently??
Relating a firearm to a vehicle is absurd, a firearm is designed to kill, They were invented to kill. Can you say that about a vehicle?
Of course it isn’t but
There have been instances in which people have been shot in haste during a robbery; there have been instances where inquisitive children have come across guns and killed themselves; there have been instances where clumsy owners have shot themselves accidentally; there have been many instances of disgruntled kids/postal workers going to school/work and slaughtering significant numbers of colleagues with firearms - all of these would not happen if guns were unavailable.
I’m not arguing that the truly determined will not find another way to kill but there are many, many situations in which guns make it so much easier and therefore so much more likely - and they are of no use for anything else.