# Rep. Jack Kingston of Georgia on Bill Maher: Jesus what a fucking dumbass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2011, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394 "2011-01-29T08:41:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/41 "2011-01-30T05:19:00Z")
Government enforced income distribution = Bush tax cuts for the wealthy ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/42 "2011-01-30T05:20:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I also don’t care if Republican congressmen think that man evolved from apes or otherwise say they don’t believe in evolution…the belief that man descended from apes. Evolution is not the belief that “man descended from apes”. What evidence shows is that man and apes descended from a common ancestor. This is elementary stuff. Credibility on science issues (which Congressmen have to deal with) is affected by stupidity about evolution. If you’re willing to let personal religious beliefs override everything that science teaches on this issue, you quite likely will do so for other issues as well. You’re also supposed to set a good example for others, including young people, who shouldn’t get the idea that if they remain steeped in ignorance, they can rise to high elected office. > [@Diogenes](#): > > Bill Maher is not a member of Congress, and I didn’t say anything about giving him “credit” anyway. I was so hoping that you’d enjoy the irony of one denialist dumbass exposing another. Oh well. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/43 "2011-01-30T05:22:44Z")
Aww, it is so sad that the Op is not mentioning the ridiculous subjects that Starving Artist would love to discuss. You poor thing. 🙂 In any case SA, recently even on PBSs NOVA it was show that doctors that do not ignore evolution are doing progress in dealing with diseases that until recently it was thought that no progress was possible. You bet that politicians that deny evolution would also find that funding for research like that would be a target for their de-funding pens. And if you still are deluded into thinking that electing science deniers is not a big deal: > **[Meanwhile at the Other End of the Avenue](https://initforthegold.blogspot.com/2011/01/meanwhile-at-other-end-of-avenue.html)** > > At the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue, Rand Paul proposes half a trillion in cuts to the US government, including: National Oceanic And A... > [@](#): > > At the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue, Rand Paul proposes half a trillion in cuts to the US government, including: > > ``` > * National Oceanic And Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) is cut by $857 million. > * NIH is cut by $5.8 billion. > * DOE is completely defunded, with some nuclear-related tasks shifted to DOD. > * NASA is cut by $4,500,000,000 (25%) > * NSF is cut by $4,723,000,000. (62%) > > ``` > > Science? What science? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/44 "2011-01-30T05:39:21Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Evolution is not the belief that “man descended from apes”. What evidence shows is that man and apes descended from a common ancestor. This is elementary stuff. I’m aware of that. But we’re not talking about me. Again I will say I think what most people mean when they say they don’t believe in evolution is that they don’t believe life started sponaneously as a result of random molecular activity, not that they don’t believe in evolution in any form. And this country is full of people - thanks largely to liberal influence over the public school system - who, be they conservative or liberal or apolitical, don’t know the difference between “there,” “their,” and “they’re,” or that every word ending in “s” doesn’t automatically take an apostrophe. So why is it all of a sudden a Republican thing not to know details of the science on evolution? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/45 "2011-01-30T05:48:35Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Aww, it is so sad that the Op is not mentioning the ridiculous subjects that Starving Artist would love to discuss. I would wager that the number of people who have died or had their lives utterly destroyed by the ‘ridiculolus’ subjects I raise is larger by several orders of magnitude than all of those that have occurred as a result of all the lychings and other forms racial injustice that have occurred in the U.S. since its inception, and who among us thinks those subjects are ridiculous? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/46 "2011-01-30T05:48:37Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Again I will say I think what most people mean when they say they don’t believe in evolution is that they don’t believe life started sponaneously as a result of random molecular activity, not that they don’t believe in evolution in any form. Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life, and most people who say they don’t believe in evolution indeed do not believe in common descent. There is no scientific belief or conjecture that life arose either spontaneously or “randomly,” by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/47 "2011-01-30T05:51:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Again I will say I think what most people mean when they say they don’t believe in evolution is that they don’t believe life started sponaneously as a result of random molecular activity, not that they don’t believe in evolution in any form. Evolution doesn’t have anything to do with the origin of life, so if that is what most people really think (and you’re just about the last person on Earth whose word I’d take on something like that), they’re still pretty damned ignorant. > [@](#): > > And this country is full of people - thanks largely to liberal influence over the public school system - who, be they conservative or liberal or apolitical, don’t know the difference between “there,” “their,” and “they’re,” or that every word ending in “s” doesn’t automatically take an apostrophe. So why is it all of a sudden a Republican thing not to know details of the science on evolution? Even if we were to accept your premise that “liberals” are at fault for the dismal state of education in this country, there’s still an important distinction between educational reforms that were intended to improve schools, but backfired, and a concerted and deliberate effort to use the educational system to spread ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/48 "2011-01-30T05:51:39Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life, and most people who say they don’t believe in evolution indeed do not believe in common descent. > > There is no scientific belief or conjecture that life arose either spontaneously or “randomly,” by the way. I know. What I’m saying is that these are the things people erroneously believe is being argued by evolutionists. The problem is that they don’t understand the terms, not that they don’t believe in evolution to at least some degree. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/49 "2011-01-30T05:51:45Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And this country is full of people - thanks largely to liberal influence over the public school system - who, be they conservative or liberal or apolitical, don’t know the difference between “there,” “their,” and “they’re,” or that every word ending in “s” doesn’t automatically take an apostrophe. So why is it all of a sudden a Republican thing not to know details of the science on evolution? That it is really a good way to predict that a leader will make poor decisions by ignoring the positions of scientists and experts. > **[Don't Just 'Do Something'](https://www.newsweek.com/case-against-sand-berms-gulf-begley-73451)** > > Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal is desperate: millions of gallons of BP's crude are launching an amphibious assault on his beaches and wetlands. So let's do the math: desperation + a pol's "do something" mentality = a loony decision to build 14-foot sand... > [@](#): > > Scientists are such spoilsports, always insisting on gathering data on the likely effects of a strategy before implementing it. Politicians are more inclined to just go for it, especially when they’re desperate. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal is desperate: millions of gallons of BP’s crude are launching an amphibious assault on his beaches and wetlands. So let’s do the math: desperation + a pol’s “do something” mentality = a loony decision to build 14-foot sand berms to protect the state’s coastline—a decision that bodes ill for the many others the state will face as BP’s oil gushes at least until August. > > Before this, Jindal was known to scientists as the governor who in 2008 signed a law allowing the state’s public schools to teach creationism (excuse me! “intelligent design”) in their classrooms. And one can see how that ended: [http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/14/spill-report-accuses-jindal-of-showboating/](http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/14/spill-report-accuses-jindal-of-showboating/) > [@](#): > > Spill Report Accuses Jindal of Showboating > > Jockeying by Gulf Coast officials for limited oil spill-fighting resources and the construction of a massive chain of sand barriers to block oil offshore — a key priority of Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana — did little to protect the coastline and often hampered the more effective actions of federal responders to the 2010 oil spill, according to the final report by the presidential panel investigating the spill. > Gov. Bobby Jindal at an oiled site near Grand Isle, La., in May.Associated Press Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana at an oiled site near Grand Isle, La., in May. > > The report, released on Tuesday, also details new allegations that Mr. Jindal deliberately withheld the location of an area of oiled marsh from the Coast Guard that he used as a backdrop for television interviews. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/50 "2011-01-30T05:56:56Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Even if we were to accept your premise that “liberals” are at fault for the dismal state of education in this country, there’s still an important distinction between educational reforms that were intended to improve schools, but backfired… Yeah, and there are some things that are so blindingly and obviously stupid that a four-year-old would know better, and even a four-year-old would know that if you pass kids from grade to grade without learning anything, you are doing more long-term harm to their self-esteem than would ever occur because of whatever self-esteem they lose by blowing off their school work and getting an “F.” Unless of course you can explain how flipping burgers all your life supposed to result in wonderful self-esteem? How in hell such an idea ever got floated in the first place is mind-boggling enough, but it’s having found acceptance within the liberal community is a hell of a lot more stupid than anything some Republican politician believes about God. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/51 "2011-01-30T06:01:23Z")
[Quote=Starving Artist] Claiming that a desire for lower taxes and an opposition to forced busing is just another way of saying “nigger” is one of the most stupid things I’ve ever seen posted on this board, and I’ve read a lot of incredibly stupid things on this board. [/Quote] Stupid it may well be, but the line in question was spoken by Saint Ronnie’s strategist and staunch Republican Lee Atwater, not **Madmonk28**. If you can spare just a moment from ranting about the evils of liberalism, maybe you would care to acknowledge your mistake. Perhaps you would also like to render your opinion on the no doubt obvious stupidity of Mr. Atwater, who was speaking of a political strategy that he himself apparently both endorsed and implemented during his term of employment for two Republican presidents. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/52 "2011-01-30T06:05:17Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I know. What I’m saying is that these are the things people erroneously believe is being argued by evolutionists. The problem is that they don’t understand the terms, not that they don’t believe in evolution to at least some degree. 54% of Republicans believe that God created humans \*\*in their present form \*\* within the last 10,000 years. > **[Four in 10 Americans Believe in Strict Creationism](https://news.gallup.com/poll/145286/four-americans-believe-strict-creationism.aspx)** > > Four in 10 Americans, slightly fewer today than in years past, believe God created humans as is about 10,000 years ago. A similar number (38%) believe God guided the development of humans from less advanced life forms over millions of years, while... Many do understand the terms. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/53 "2011-01-30T06:18:01Z")
If Lee Atwater said it, then Lee Atwater was full of shit. See how easy that was? 🙂 And besides, Atwater was largely a functionary in Reagan’s election campaigns under Ed Rollins and hardly in a position to “implement” anything. Besides, [according to Wiki he gave that interview anonymously](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater). It’s obviously merely his take on things. It’s quite a stretch to claim that by promising to cut taxes and reduce welfare benefits (which many people oppose philosophically no matter who gets it) will automatically make everyone in the South think “Hey, cool! He’s talking about sticking it to the niggers!” For one thing the voting public isn’t that perceptive, and for another there are like I said perfectly legitimate reasons to oppose both welfare and tax increases. The whole idea is ludicrous.) I stand by every word I said about that statement, no matter who said it, for the very reasons I explained. (And you’ll recall that I said **Madmonk28** posted it - without attribution, I might add - not that he said it himself.) ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/54 "2011-01-30T06:31:18Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > 54% of Republicans believe that God created humans \*\*in their present form \*\* within the last 10,000 years. > > [Four in 10 Americans Believe in Strict Creationism](http://www.gallup.com/poll/145286/four-americans-believe-strict-creationism.aspx) > > Many do understand the terms. Has Gallup done a poll on how many liberals think it’s a good idea to do drugs, implement revolving-door jails, fail miserably at educating students, wreck the family unit and drag society into the gutter? Probably not. Still, what you don’t seem to understand is that, even if the poll is correct (and I have my doubts), I don’t care! I’m far more interested that they believe that higher taxes, income redistribution and nanny-state governments are wrong and harmful than I am about their beliefs about when God created man. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/55 "2011-01-30T06:40:27Z")
Revolving door jails are a result of conservative policies which prioritize locking up pot smokers over rapists and murderers. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/56 "2011-01-30T06:46:04Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It’s obviously merely his take on things. Most of the glurge you routinely spout here is merely your take on things, so what of it? > [@](#): > > It’s quite a stretch to claim that by promising to cut taxes and reduce welfare benefits (which many people oppose philosophically no matter who gets it) will automatically make everyone in the South think “Hey, cool! He’s talking about sticking it to the niggers!” Wait, what happened to the forced busing part of your argument? Anyway, see, the above is merely your take on things. Atwater’s remarks say no such thing, as far as I can see. What he seems to have been commenting on is how the Southern Strategy was intended to attract the votes of racists to Republicans despite the need to avoid making outright racist statements of types that would have been generally acceptable in the South of the 1950s. You know, just like Atwater’s taking advantage of the Willie Horton issue surely had no racial component at all, no no no. Anyway, you go ahead and stand by your words. That’s perfectly fine with me. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/57 "2011-01-30T06:51:20Z")
**SA** , I’m originally from the deep south and I can tell you that people down there get the coded language just fine. It’s not that everybody in the south is racist (the younger generations, in particular have grown out of it and are even more contemptuous and disgusted with it than yankees from intimate familiarity), but I know for a fact that words like “taxes” and “welfare” have a racial resonance down there. I heard it from extended family members many times (never my parents, thank God. I don’t know how my mother came out of that family without a racist bone in her body, but she did). ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/58 "2011-01-30T06:52:11Z")
And now that I’ve harumphed just about everything I have to say on the subject of the OP, it’s dinnertime and I have a brand new jar of truffle salt to play with, and a couple of new Nero Wolfe mysteries to watch. So in other words, you can feel free to resume your orgy of back-slapping and congratulating yourselves over how smart you are without argument from me. Just remember though…reality has a conservative bias and we know better. > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Revolving door jails are a result of conservative policies which prioritize locking up pot smokers over rapists and murderers. Not quite. They are a result of liberal whingebags who feel most criminals are in jail because: a) most crime is a result of financial inequity and therefore society’s fault; b) they are black; c) it gets too cwowded; d) it’s uncivilized to indulge our baser desires for revenge and punishment; e) lots and lots of liberal judges and parole boards and correctional systems who agree. And now I’m out. Chow, all! Calm down, **GIGO** , I know it’s “Ciao”. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/59 "2011-01-30T06:55:16Z")
You are making things up. None of those are liberal positions or beliefs. Drug prohibition and mandatory drug sentences which force prisons to cut loose violent criminals to make room for pot dealers, on the other hand, are only too real conservative policies in action. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/60 "2011-01-30T06:58:29Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] I also don’t care if Republican congressmen think that man evolved from apes or otherwise say they don’t believe in **evolution…the belief that man descended from apes.** [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Jackmannii] Evolution is not the belief that “man descended from apes”. What evidence shows is that man and apes descended from a common ancestor. This is elementary stuff. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Starving Artist] **I’m aware of that.** But we’re not talking about me. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Starving Artist] Again I will say I think what most people mean when they say they don’t believe in evolution is that they don’t believe life started sponaneously as a result of random molecular activity, not that they don’t believe in **evolution in any form.** [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life, and most people who say they don’t believe in evolution indeed do not believe in common descent. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Starving Artist] **I know.** What I’m saying is that these are the things people erroneously believe is being argued by evolutionists. The problem is that they don’t understand the terms, not that they don’t believe in evolution to at least some degree. [/QUOTE] I was so busy staring at your protruding proboscis that I barely noticed that your trousers, they are aflame. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394.md?page=4)