# Rep. Jack Kingston of Georgia on Bill Maher: Jesus what a fucking dumbass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2011, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394 "2011-01-29T08:41:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/61 "2011-01-30T07:05:05Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > **SA** , I’m originally from the deep south and I can tell you that people down there get the coded language just fine. It’s not that everybody in the south is racist (the younger generations, in particular have grown out of it and are even more contemptuous and disgusted with it than yankees from intimate familiarity), but I know for a fact that words like “taxes” and “welfare” have a racial resonance down there. I heard it from extended family members many times (never my parents, thank God. I don’t know how my mother came out of that family without a racist bone in her body, but she did). Fair enough. I’ll accept that. Still, it was wrong of **El\_Kabong** to imply that Attwater was doing Reagan’s will and that he was implementing racial policies on behalf of Reagan. Still, I won’t contest that conservaitve polititicans sometimes attempt illegitimately to use race in ways they think will be to their benefit, just like liberals will illegitimately use false accusations of racism to sway voters their way. Politics, unfortuanately, is a dirty game. But I will say I’ve seen much more in the way of unfounded claims of racism on a grass roots level coming from liberals than I have overt racism coming from conservatives. I myself have been accused of it for most of my life (most recently and frequently on this board) not because of biased or denigrating statements I make about people of other races, but simply because I frequently disagree with the liberal line about the proper way to deal with issues involving race. And now I really am out. And on preview, thank you **DMC** for cherry-picking snippets of the discussion and posting them out of context. You really showed me. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/62 "2011-01-30T07:16:36Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You are making things up. None of those are liberal positions or beliefs. Drug prohibition and mandatory drug sentences which force prisons to cut loose violent criminals to make room for pot dealers, on the other hand, are only too real conservative policies in action. No, I’m not making them up. I heard and read one or the other coming from lefties constantly from the late sixties to somewhere around the mid-to-late eighties, by which time the justice system had become so FUBARed that people were no longer shocked by what was going on and had begun to regard it as normal. Drug prohibition has always been with us and only became a problem because liberals jumped on 'em like manna from heaven starting in the mid sixties. Mandatory drug sentences, just like mandatory violent crime sentences, were created in the first place as an effort to force you guys to keep people who break the law in jail. Millions of lives have been lost and ruined because of drugs. It’s not a throwaway problem. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/63 "2011-01-30T07:16:53Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Fair enough. I’ll accept that. Still, it was wrong of **El\_Kabong** to imply that Attwater was doing Reagan’s will and that he was implementing racial policies on behalf of Reagan. Heh. Nice. I’ll let others decide whether the above characterization is correct. ---
**Author:** ![George\_Kaplin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3e96dc/32.png) [@George\_Kaplin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/George_Kaplin)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/64 "2011-01-30T07:35:23Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Mandatory drug sentences, just like mandatory violent crime sentences, were created in the first place as an effort to force you guys to keep people who break the law in jail. Millions of lives have been lost and ruined because of drugs. Prohibition of high demand products only hurts. It never helps. Prohibition is evil. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/65 "2011-01-30T07:50:52Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Just remember though…reality has a conservative bias and we know better. Yeah, like how Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal knew better about his sand reefs than the scientists.. Not! Incidentally, that was direct evidence of what conservatives that ignore science are losing, millions of dollars that could had benefited more people affected by the spill. And reality \*\*had \*\*a liberal bias there. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/66 "2011-01-30T08:34:49Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Posted by **Madmonk28** : > > That’s quite a leap there, don’t you think? You can’t say “nigger,” so you simply switch to being against forced busing and cutting taxes instead?.. You do understand that I didn’t say that, but Lee Atwater, a Republican strategist did right? I’m not making the leap, I’m showing you a statement by someone who actively tried to develop a coded language to allow Republicans to pander to some whites’ fears about black people while avoiding charges of racism. Lee Atwater took the leap and Republicans went along for the ride. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/67 "2011-01-30T08:45:57Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And on preview, thank you **DMC** for cherry-picking snippets of the discussion and posting them out of context. You really showed me. Out of context? You made a statement. You were called on it. You claimed that you didn’t agree with the statement that you made. Then the process repeated itself with a different statement. I failed to find a context in [which](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudologia_fantastica) [your](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119528/) [capris](http://www.amazon.com/Pinocchio-Two-Disc-Anniversary-Platinum-Standard/dp/B001ILFUDM) [weren’t](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800240/) [toasty](http://www.lafayettepolygraph.com/product_detail.asp?ItemID=1271), [but](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1235099/) [then](http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2003/11/breaking_the_ta.html), [you](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0265298/) [knew](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0446752/) [that](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1058017/), [right](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0490078/)? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/68 "2011-01-30T08:58:05Z")
But he wasn’t actually implementing policy! He was merely exploiting existing racism. And the very fact that he built in a careful deniability proves that he didn’t actually approve of racism, otherwise he would have done it openly. Which means that he himself was innocent of racism, then it follows that the Rebublicans following his advice were equally innocent of racism. And if the Repubicans are all innocent of racism, that only leaves the liberals to blame for racism. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/69 "2011-01-30T09:02:30Z")
(dupe dope derp!) ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/70 "2011-01-30T13:09:19Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > The above may be one of the greatest posts of its type in the history of this board. It takes a great talent indeed to express such utterly inane opinions on three such wildly differing topics, in a single sentence. Bravo, sir; I salute you. All of the reactions to my post could very well be the best use of the **race card** in SDMB history. I used the descriptive term “black ladies” in a pit thread… oh the horror. As for who in particular… how about Sheila Jackson Lee and Maxine Waters for example? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/71 "2011-01-30T13:22:10Z")
So why didn’t you say Kingston is smarter than Sheila Jackson Lee and Maxine Waters? Why did you say black ladies? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/72 "2011-01-30T13:46:50Z")
Yes. The way it works is you say Sheila Jackson Lee and Maxine Waters, and then _another poster_ will respond “oh, I get it… two _black women_!” It’s not the implied racism so much as you violated protocol. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/73 "2011-01-30T14:19:57Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > You do understand that I didn’t say that, but Lee Atwater, a Republican strategist did right? It’s pretty clear from Post 53 that he did not in fact understand that until, er…someone…explained it to him, and his follow-on attempt to negate Atwater’s statement as “merely his take on things” is hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/74 "2011-01-30T14:26:20Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > All of the reactions to my post could very well be the best use of the **race card** in SDMB history. > > I used the descriptive term “black ladies” in a pit thread… oh the horror. > > As for who in particular… how about Sheila Jackson Lee and Maxine Waters for example? Attempts by posters to figure out of your opaque prose what the hell you are going on about is not playing the “race card”. You also used the term “our guys”. Who dat, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/75 "2011-01-30T14:26:43Z")
Personally, I don’t think he knew who Lee Atwater was and did a quick read on Wikipedia. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/76 "2011-01-30T15:08:31Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Yes. The way it works is you say Sheila Jackson Lee and Maxine Waters, and then _another poster_ will respond “oh, I get it… two _black women_!” > > It’s not the implied racism so much as you violated protocol. But then it would have given rise to just a normal everyday use of the **race card** instead of one that will go down in history. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/77 "2011-01-30T15:11:54Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > But then it would have given rise to just a normal everyday use of the **race card** instead of one that will go down in history. Are you familiar with the rule of holes? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/78 "2011-01-30T16:01:11Z")
It’s too late for that. The hole he’s in goes all the way to the southern Indian Ocean. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/79 "2011-01-30T16:21:26Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > So why didn’t you say Kingston is smarter than Sheila Jackson Lee and Maxine Waters? Why did you say black ladies? Oh, I don’t know… maybe for the same reason that the \*\*race card \*\*started flying instead of defenses of the intelligence of most of the black ladies. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394/80 "2011-01-30T16:48:39Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Oh, I don’t know… maybe for the same reason that the \*\*race card \*\*started flying instead of defenses of the intelligence of most of the black ladies. By the way, lest my cynicism be misconstrued as support, I _do_ think you’re an idiot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rep-jack-kingston-of-georgia-on-bill-maher-jesus-what-a-fucking-dumbass/569394.md?page=5)